Muhammad Cartoon Controversy (2 Viewers)

[zahid]

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I just want to ask 1 simple question to withouaface and gang.....and I want a yes or no answer.

DO YOU GUYS REALLY HATE ISLAM?

 

[StGeorgeDragons]

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see what i mean, in their eyes its just muslims and non-muslims. they dont accept equality they accept violence, they are gonna be the cause for the worlds destruction

yeh thats wat really shocked me. It just shows there not taking there anger out on the denmark newspaper incident alone, they blame freedom, the west and christianity. because theres no reason for them to attack a church.

 

[aaaman]

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yeh thats wat really shocked me. It just shows there not taking there anger out on the denmark newspaper incident alone, they blame freedom, the west and christianity. because theres no reason for them to attack a church.

today you have opened your eyes to the truth

 

[Generator]

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On a more reasonable note -

Depictions of prophet nothing new

 

[aaaman]

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they dont have a true description of their prophet?

they really must lie enough to believe their own lies

 

[Captain Obvious 1]

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I notice that the Australian press is being very reserved; i haven't seen these cartoons in an australian news article/on TV etc.

 

[SashatheMan]

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ok now i bring you freedom of SA

Saudi jailed for discussing the Bible
November 14, 2005


RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (Reuters) -- A court sentenced a teacher to 40 months in prison and 750 lashes for "mocking religion" after he discussed the Bible and praised Jews, a Saudi newspaper reported yesterday.
Al-Madina newspaper said secondary-school teacher Mohammad al-Harbi, who will be flogged in public, was taken to court by his colleagues and students.
He was charged with promoting a "dubious ideology, mocking religion, saying the Jews were right, discussing the Gospel and preventing students from leaving class to wash for prayer," the newspaper said.
Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, strictly upholds the austere Wahhabi school of Islam and bases its constitution on the Koran and the sayings of the prophet Muhammad. Public practice of any other religion is banned.
A U.S. State Department report criticized Saudi Arabia last week, saying religious freedoms "are denied to all but those who adhere to the state-sanctioned version of Sunni Islam."
The newspaper said Mr. al-Harbi will appeal the verdict.
A similar case was cited in the State Department's International Religious Freedom Report for 2004.
"During the period covered by this report, a schoolteacher was tried for apostasy, and eventually convicted in March of blasphemy; the person was given a prison sentence of 3 years and 300 lashes. The trial received substantial press coverage," the report said.
A 2003 report by the U.S. Commission on Religious Freedom, the world's only government-sanctioned entity to investigate and report religious-freedom violations, named Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest violator of religious liberties.
The commission took the country to task for "offensive and discriminatory language" disparaging Jews, Christians and non-Wahhabi Muslims found in government-sponsored school textbooks, in Friday sermons preached in prominent mosques, and in state-controlled Saudi newspapers.
For example, in 2003, Crown Prince (now King) Abdullah reacted to the killing of six Westerners by terrorists in Yemen by saying he thought Zionism was behind them.
In Saudi Arabia, the public practice of any religion other than Islam is illegal; only Muslims can be Saudi citizens; one of the Saudi king's titles is "custodian of the two holy mosques"; proselytizing for any religion other than Sunni Islam is barred; and Mecca, Islam's holy city, is forbidden to all non-Muslims.
For years, Saudi Arabia also imposed restrictions, or persuaded the U.S. government to impose restrictions, on American troops defending the country during and after then-Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's 1990-91 occupation of Kuwait.
For example, U.S. postal and customs officials have barred mailing materials "contrary to the Islamic faith," including Bibles. The U.S. military also has required female service members to wear a long, black robe called an abaya when traveling off base in Saudi Arabia. Both regulations were rescinded or clarified after public outcry based on reporting in the U.S. media.

http://washingtontimes.com/world/20051114-015138-3548r.htm

 

[SashatheMan]

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yeh thats wat really shocked me. It just shows there not taking there anger out on the denmark newspaper incident alone, they blame freedom, the west and christianity. because theres no reason for them to attack a church.

you are learning my child

 

[Serius]

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I just want to ask 1 simple question to withouaface and gang.....and I want a yes or no answer.

DO YOU GUYS REALLY HATE ISLAM?

i dont know if this question can be answered with a simple yes or no, its a very complex issue

do i hate the idea of Islam? no not really, people can beleive what they want and ultimately although islam has quite a few flaws, it is no worse than other crap that people beleive like scientology

do i hate how islam really is in this world and the way it is used by muslims? yes i do, i dont know why a religion that is fundamentaly peaceful has so many nutjobs, i dont know why countries that follow this religion are generally pretty fucked up and walk all over human rights but i think it is important to make a distinction between the idea of islam and the reality of islam

that and i love how they take things so seriously, life is all about having a good time and if mohamed was here today he would tell all the muslims to take a chill pill, sit back, and not be afraid to laugh at some genuinely funny cartoons. Yeah, that or he would go absolutelty apeshit about how his followers have fucked up islam so bad that what was once a peaceful religion is now known as the spawn of all terrorism

 

[SashatheMan]

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I just want to ask 1 simple question to withouaface and gang.....and I want a yes or no answer.

DO YOU GUYS REALLY HATE ISLAM?

i hate the idea of organised religion, because it makes people value our current life as second best, compared to the promised rewards heaven offers. Christianity does the same thing, how ever i have more against islam , because it allows many millions of muslims to interpret this as if, dying (martyering) in the name of religion is the most glorious way to please god. and that leads to many innocent deaths.
i also hate how religions try to force their beleifs on other people. all muslims/christians think , anyone who is not follow their religion is below them and will be punished by going to hell. wtf, seriously.

saudi arabia doesnt allow any other religion to be practised except islam, but then it tries to stop other countries from practising in what they value eg freedom of speech. very hypocretical


so sum it up , yes i hate it.

 

[tempco]

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http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Diplomacy/7730.htm

"The trouble threatened to rile sectarian tensions when protesters began stoning St. Maroun Church, one of the city's main Maronite Catholic churches, and property in Ashrafieh, a Christian area. Sectarian tension is a sensitive issue in Lebanon, where Muslims and Christian fought a 15-year civil war that ended in 1990. "

i was on the muslims side before, .....now i see they are fucking pyscho's.
Y would they need to stone a catholic church???

There is no clear cut sides in this whole affair... if you're a Muslim, it doesn't automatically mean you support the stoning of churches, tne burning of embassies, the violent riots, etc. And if you're non-Muslim, it doesn't mean you agree with the nature of the cartoons.

see what i mean, in their eyes its just muslims and non-muslims. they dont accept equality they accept violence, they are gonna be the cause for the worlds destruction

No, that's how it is IN YOUR EYES.

 

[volition]

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The problem is that there are some muslims who are very clear cut about it, so while yes, not all muslims will think in terms of "Muslim and Non-Muslim", there are some that do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

"Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." - Surah 9:29

translation: Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

It would seem that if you take everything in the Quran literally (to be fair, not all muslims do), that peace exists only to the extent of non-Muslims submitting to the word, or sword of Islam.

 

[ihavenothing]

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Finally there is some resistance being planned

http://www40.brinkster.com/freebritain/

Similar protests are on the drawing board, Sydney I'm sure will have one...

 

[aaaman]

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No, that's how it is IN YOUR EYES.

pfft please you faith lies so much that it beleive its own lies

 

[davin]

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I wonder what type of reaction a racist cartoon towards African-Americans would cause?

basicly, the paper running it would def. lose subscriptions and its circulation would suffer...there'd be some protests of the paper, and you'd have african-american leaders speaking out against it as racist and questioning the taste of the paper. never would be a charge that it shouldn't be legal, just saying that its in horibbly bad taste.

I dont know why so many people are trying to twist this into a battle for free speech. its not free speech when you villify a billion people.

its an issue of free speech because so many are protesting saying that the gov't should have stopped this. it wouldn't be a free speech issue if they protested the paper and just criticised the paper's judgement in running the cartoons. as soon as you start to say something should have been censored, or that the govt should've made sure it couldn't have been published thats SPECIFICALLY what free speech is about. Its the muslim responce that made this a free speech issue.

 

[davin]

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I just want to ask 1 simple question to withouaface and gang.....and I want a yes or no answer.

DO YOU GUYS REALLY HATE ISLAM?

i agree with serius pretty well....
do i hate all muslims? nope, and the ones i know personally i've no issue with
i do have severe issues with anyone that would have no problem killing me based on who i am, and at this point, there are a large number of people under the realm of islam that fit that catagory, and they have support from a very large number within the islamic world, it seems. i have a problem with the violent extremists, and they tend to be getting supported by quite a few in islam, and they use islam as the justifcation.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

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In alot of ways it makes more sense to me... if you believe the religion, to follow it as it appears to be compelling you to.

I dont know why so many people are trying to twist this into a battle for free speech. its not free speech when you villify a billion people.

If there wasn't a backlash from the muslims demanding censorship and threatening to kill people then this would not be a free speech issue, most people here would probably not be supportive of the cartoonists.

This was the situation.

> Newspaper publishes some slightly rude pictures of muhammed.
> Muslims demand the newspaper be punished, threaten to kill the cartoonists etc
> The country stands by its newspaper - saying that in a free society you cannot punish such things.
> Muslims boycott the country, threaten the country.
> Other newspapers all accross the world show some solidarity in printing the cartoons - the muslims are stepping on something very important to the west.
> Muslims now threaten a new 9/11 for europe... burn heaps of flags... threats fly out every-which way, including to some of their greatest allies in the west.
> We have a much lower view of Islam than we did before the incident.

 

[= Jennifer =]

The Muhammad Cartoon Controversy

Lebanon's Interior Minister Hassan Sabeh has announced his resignation after a mob attacked the Danish consulate in Beirut in riots sparked by controversial cartoons.

Almost 30 people were injured as furious crowds stormed and set ablaze the building housing the Danish consulate, despite the presence of riot police who had initially used tear gas and batons to keep protesters at bay.

The protests come as Muslims the world over respond angrily to the publication of cartoons containing depictions of the Prophet Mohammed.


"I submitted my resignation to the government after criticisms were raised," Mr Sabeh said after an extraordinary cabinet meeting.

He says he refused to give security forces the order to fire on the protesters because "I did not want to be responsible for any carnage".

"Despite the intervention of more than 1,000 members of the security forces, we were unable to impose order because of the determination of the protesters, who numbered several thousands," he said.

The Lebanese violence erupted the day after a similar attack on the diplomatic missions of Denmark and Norway in neighbouring Syria.

The offending caricatures, which included depictions of the Muslim prophet as a knife-wielding bedouin and another as wearing a time bomb-shaped turban, have sparked widespread protests across the Muslim world.

http://www.optusnet.com.au/news/story/abc/20060206/10/international/1562849.inp

 

[HotShot]

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In alot of ways it makes more sense to me... if you believe the religion, to follow it as it appears to be compelling you to.



If there wasn't a backlash from the muslims demanding censorship and threatening to kill people then this would not be a free speech issue, most people here would probably not be supportive of the cartoonists.

This was the situation.

> Newspaper publishes some slightly rude pictures of muhammed.
> Muslims demand the newspaper be punished, threaten to kill the cartoonists etc
> The country stands by its newspaper - saying that in a free society you cannot punish such things.
> Muslims boycott the country, threaten the country.
> Other newspapers all accross the world show some solidarity in printing the cartoons - the muslims are stepping on something very important to the west.
> Muslims now threaten a new 9/11 for europe... burn heaps of flags... threats fly out every-which way, including to some of their greatest allies in the west.
> We have a much lower view of Islam than we did before the incident.

tats bullshit:

No one has the right to offend someone's belief. Considering the nature of islam in this period, its quite obvious that they will take any oppurtinity to go against the west. And this newspaper cartoon gave them the oppurtinity to let loose-completely idiotic. The freedom of right of speech is just a justification for their actions. If they have the right to do so, then cant the muslims have the right to oppose it? And even after the muslims opposed it, and more newspapers continue to publish the cartoons, then arent abusing their rights?

These were in the SMH editorial:

The West is very selective in its freedom of the press. While we doggedly support publication of caricatures of the prophet Muhammad because it does not offend us, under no circumstances would we tolerate the newspapers publishing child pornography or even bad language ("Anger over caricatures at boiling point", February 4-5).

The Western world generally adopts the attitude that while other cultures must respect our beliefs, we need not do the same because ours are the correct ones. This is a warped view of democracy.

This seems to be very true.

Democracy is about the right of all people to live in a way they believe is right and good but without hurting others. In democratic countries we restrict the rights of groups and individuals through censorship, noise control, pollution control, sedition laws and a host of others.

Would respecting Muslim beliefs and stopping the printing of images of Muhammad because we know they hurt others, really infringe our rights so much?

bah gud question?

Ah, so when a leader in a Muslim country says something that offends the Jews, that is totally unacceptable anti-Semitism. But when a Danish newspaper goes out of its way to cause offence to Muslims, they ought to accept we believe in free speech in the West and get over it.

In my book free speech is free speech for everyone, not just for people you agree with.

Too true, dont get me started on jews..

If Muslim reaction to a few cartoons is an example, can you imagine if the Monty Python team did a sequel to The Life of Brian, say, The Life of Abdul. After all, if it is good enough for Jesus, surely it's good enough for Muhammad.

Bah thats stupid.

 

[ihavenothing]

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Beliefs are questioned all the time and should not be limited to religion. I would not see someone like you not criticising "western values" which is still a belief, though not a religion.