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A body, initially at room temperature (20 degrees), is heated so that its temperature would increase by 5 degrees/min if no cooling took place. Cooling does occur in accordance with Newton's law of cooling and the maximum temperature the body could attain is 120 degrees. How long does it take to reach a temperature of 100 degrees?


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vds700 said:
A body, initially at room temperature (20 degrees), is heated so that its temperature would increase by 5 degrees/min if no cooling took place. Cooling does occur in accordance with Newton's law of cooling and the maximum temperature the body could attain is 120 degrees. How long does it take to reach a temperature of 100 degrees?


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Umm...I may be flamed for being clueless...but that doesn't sound like maths to me...lol...
 

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Umm...I may be flamed for being clueless...but that doesn't sound like maths to me...lol...
haha i know what u mean....its from ex 25(e) Q4 of 3 unit fitzpatrick book
 

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imoO said:
Umm...I may be flamed for being clueless...but that doesn't sound like maths to me...lol...
It's yr 12 3 unit. You 2009er's wouldn't know about it.
 

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Newtons Law of Cooling. It's in the Applications of Math to the physical world bit. The place with projectile motion and SHM I think. I dont have the fitzpatric book with me now, but i'm guessing its about there.

Also i don't believe this question can be asked in a test. It's beyond the syllabus, i'm sure, because you need to introduce an extra value for the heating at 5/min, and they MUST give you the general solution for a question of that sort.

It is possible that you may need to use dT/dt = 5 + k(T-P).

I would start from dT/dt = 5 + k(T-P), and maybe integrate it?? Either way, as t-> infinity, T=120, and at t=0, T=20... Ahhg this is an evil question. But i'm sure about using dT/dt = 5 + k(T-P).

I THINK.
 
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vds700 said:
A body, initially at room temperature (20 degrees), is heated so that its temperature would increase by 5 degrees/min if no cooling took place. Cooling does occur in accordance with Newton's law of cooling and the maximum temperature the body could attain is 120 degrees. How long does it take to reach a temperature of 100 degrees?


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I've never done a Newton's cooling question before (I don't think it is in the HSC, thought it can turn up as an exam question if they provide enough information to get your started). Still, it's is basically an exponential rate question, so...

I'm going to guess that the "maximum temperature" is the ambient temperature, so...

Initial temp = 20

T(t) = temperature at time t in minutes

Ambient temperature = 120

dT/dt = k(T - Ta)
dT/dt = k(T-120)
dT/(T-120) = k dt
ln(T-120) = kt + C
T-120 = e^(kt+C)
T(t) = 120 + je^(kt)
initial temp = 20
T(0) = 120 + j = 20
j=-100
T(t) = 120 - 100e^(kt)

Max temp is 120... um but when does it acheive this maximum temperate? To be honest this question makes little sense. Perhaps it is 120 at 20 minutes? But that's without cooling... anyway that doesn't work mathematically - the system shouldn't ever reach 120 because k will end up being a negative constant.

Hmm. Hopefully somebody else can solve this question. :)
 

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foram said:
Newtons Law of Cooling. It's in the Applications of Math to the physical world bit. The place with projectile motion and SHM I think. I dont have the fitzpatric book with me now, but i'm guessing its about there.

Also i don't believe this question can be asked in a test. It's beyond the syllabus, i'm sure, because you need to introduce an extra value for the heating at 5/min, and they MUST give you the general solution for a question of that sort.

It is possible that you may need to use dT/dt = 5 + k(T-P).

I would start from dT/dt = 5 + k(T-P), and maybe integrate it?? Either way, as t-> infinity, T=120, and at t=0, T=20... Ahhg this is an evil question. But i'm sure about using dT/dt = 5 + k(T-P).

I THINK.
Oh sweet! Of course.

Does P = 120? Ambient temp?

dT/dt = 5 + k(T-120)
let y(t)=T(t)-120
dy/dt = dT/dt = 5+ky
So dy/dt - ky = 5 (a non-homogenous first order linear differential equation).
Use integrating factor u=e^(Int -k dt) = e^(-kt)
udy/dt -uky = 5u
udy/dt - ydu/dt = 5u
d(uy)/dt = 5u
d(uy) = 5u dt
uy = Int 5u dt
e^(-kt)*(T-120) = Int -5e^(-kt)/k dt = 5e^(-kt)/k^2 + C
T(t) = 5/k^2 + Ce^(kt) + 120
T(infinity) = fuck. It's exactly the same damn function as I got using logs instead, below:

dT/dt = 5 + k(T-120) = 5 - 120k + kT
dT/(5-120k+kT) = dt
kln(5-120k+kT) = t + C (C = some constant)
5-120k+kT(t) = Je^t (J = some constant)
T(t) = (J/k)e^t +120k - 5
Aw man I can't apply a limit to infinity cause I need a negative constant in the power of the exponential. Bah. Hmm actually I could do that but it would mean j is zero hence this isn't an exponential question.
 
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what i did was....
dT/dt = 5-k(T-M) (5 is the heating and the k(T-M) is the cooling, M is the surrounding temp)
..... you invert this and integrate with respect to T and i got
T = (1/k)[5 + kM - e^-kt(5 - 20k + kM)]
as t -> infinity, T->120, therefore the e^-kt part -> zero

120 = (1/k)(5 + kM)....equation with 2 variables.....cant solve
 

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foram said:
Isn't the room temp at 20? so in your case, M=20
thanks foram...when i subbed M = 20, i got k =(1/20)
Putting this in the original expression for T you get
T = 20[6 - 5e^(-t/20)] ... when T = 100
100 = 20[6 - 5e^(-t/20)]
5 = 6 - 5e^(-t/20)
5e^(-t/20) = 1
e^(-t/20) = 0.2
-t/20 = ln(0.2)
therefore t = 32.2 minutes which is the right answer
 

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Well done!

Of course because differential equations like this aren't directly in the syllabus (even at a 4u level), questions like this would have a significant lead-in in an exam.
 

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