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  • A load of codswallop. OBVIOUSLY why wouldn't chicks want a nice guy?

    Votes: 35 26.5%
  • Definitely true. A true jerk is the way to go

    Votes: 25 18.9%
  • Hmmm i'm going to sit on the fence. Something in between

    Votes: 33 25.0%
  • No i didn't read it because i am a lazy motherf*cker. I'm also a troll

    Votes: 39 29.5%

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bobness said:
i'm always onto something :)

what i said might not apply though today cause girls don't always wanna settle down early. they have their careers and everything else which came with the feminist movement. not that its a bad thing ;)

it only comes into play when the girls are looking to find a man so as to fulfill their baby/two-storey-house-with-the-picket-fence-a-dog-and-family-car joys.

what's the take of others on this?

oh and just as a thought the nice guys and girls can do fine, but because they're normally more selective it takes a while to find 'the one'.

i always sit on the fence in these topics
yeah, i'd think there's something to it..... that idea of going through a period of "shopping around", so to speak, rather than settling on someone too quickly
granted, it is understandable in its own right
 

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nah come to think of it i was over-generalising there

just like what others do with the whole jerks and nice guys issue

thats why i wanted other views not a head nodder :uhhuh:
 

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Oh! I feel sad that girls do those things to nice guys. Well, I hope you nice guys out there do eventually find nice girls to make all the things that you have endured worthwhile in the end. Sometimes, when a girl just doesn't see that you are the one for her, tell her, explain to her and let her see that you two are the perfect couple. Many girls fail to recognise nice guys as "more than just a friend" types because they are in denial that they love those guys. That's why, don't give up!! But if she treats you like dirt for far too long, go and find someone who truly deserves you. There's plenty who'll love nice guys forever and ever.
yeah we all hope those guys end up getting the girl they want, i mean geez they sure as hell deserve it, for having to put up with 3a.m phone calls where the girl is totally shattered about a comment her boy made. But unfortunatly Davin is right u can't make someone realise that their perfect partner has been there all along. its just something that takes time. and the reason why nice boys suffer the most is coz they are unable to move away and find another girl, they hope that the girl would come to her senses some day.

So to all u nice boys out there i salute u, don't change into jerks coz theres already a huge jerk overload in the world. the female species really does need guys like u.
 

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nice guys, the ultimate champions of the lost cause
 

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got cliched much?

the way i see it because there's such an overwhelming supply of jerks in the world, this is what the girls want. supply and demand i say!

just don't bring into the argument of how the nice guys are hence rare/more worthwhile/other sentimental bs if you've never dated one girls. you're the ones who are picking the jerks

and there should be nothing wrong with that :D
 

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somewhat its true in some way.. but those nice guys will get noticed and get the things they'll deserve later in life.

Most of all.. nice ppl will end up having great fwenz.. and good things happen to them.. than jerks seems to get into shit all the time.

Karma people. Karma.
 

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!! CaR`JiE !! said:
Most of all.. nice ppl will end up having great fwenz
and thats exactly the problem. did you READ that article? nice guys can only be seen as "just friends" with the girls. actually read my sig :)

anywho i've edited the first post so that the lazy motherf*ckers (and trolls) who couldn't be f*cked to click can now read the goddamn article :D

actually i'll post it up here too http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~jenf/writing/rant04.html

some pissed off guy said:
This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what assholes guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.

The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date” or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me” or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.
 
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haha yeh being a nice guy sucks, i got convinced some girl likes me then i bump into her today at movies with the guy she "broke off with" that she said "i was in" after him.
i was too nice to tell her off and yeh :/
 

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Casmira said:
haha yeh being a nice guy sucks, i got convinced some girl likes me then i bump into her today at movies with the guy she "broke off with" that she said "i was in" after him.
i was too nice to tell her off and yeh :/
a very similar thing happened 2 me a couple of years ago
it was then that i changed from a nice guy and became a prick/asshole/cocky guy
nice guys come last
 

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being a nice guy pays off in the long run, being a jerk leaves you with a bunch of girls who never really liked you anyway. do you really want to go out with that girl who doesnt notice you even tho youre dancing naked outside her door and singing "shes just the flavour of the week"? its not worth it, shes not ready and is to afraid to commit. ha! girls with commitment issues! theyre worse than the guys...

out of curiosity, is there a female equivalent to the Nice Guy? im sure there is...
 

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PaceT: What so are you coming first in everything (to do with relationships, girls .. or guys if you swing that way) now mate?

Actually come to think of it, and no one's really discussed it, how do the homosexual population react to the nice guy/girl phenomena?

BUT MAINLY heterosexual relationship point of views please :D
 

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bobness said:
PaceT: What so are you coming first in everything (to do with relationships, girls .. or guys if you swing that way) now mate?
im really glad u brought this up coz i forgot about it
well the girl i mentioned that said i was in after her current guy didnt want anything to do with me coz i was a nice guy
then i got really pissed off coz she thought she was better than me
so i got REALLY cocky confident etc etc (initially a little test) with her and especially to her friends (in front of her!!!) so then she got really jealous dumped the guy that was 'in' before me (my ex friend lol) and went after me
then she was absolutely crazy about me
then i led her on, on purpose, then i just got rid of her
sometimes i think of 'what could have been' etc like what ppl say on this forum a lot epecially coz shes the hottest/prettiest girl ive ever seen..

so thats my story
hehe
 

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Nice guys do finish last, in the short term, but I think that in the end they'll end out on top.
The nice guys (IMO) tend to learn alot more about a relationship with a girl, than if they would if they went out with a person, because often their friendships will last alot longer than a potential boyfriend/girlfriend relationship would.
I also think that, eventually, the 'nice guy friend' of the girl would potentially be her husband one day. I think that in marrige (not that im speaking from experience or anything), best friends are more important than the physical aspect of love and emotions. If you can't communicate in a way that you would with your best friend, you shouldn't be together, because the marrige/relationship won't last unless there's an emotional and mental connection between the two people.
My ex girlfriend loves her best friend, and her best friend loves her back, and I think they will be together until they die because I think they connect on so many levels together. They have so much to talk about, so much in common, and so many experiences that they can relate to one anothers lives, that there is no chance that they will ever stop being at least best friends, even a couple in marrige for life. Now, I certainly don't think that this guy is the best person for her in some ways, but in other ways I think he'll be far more of a better boyfriend/partner/husband than I ever could have been because they get along so well. I don't know if I'd exactly refer to him as the 'nice guy' referred to in the article, but I know he's pretty close (in this relationship anyway), and he's not finishing last, he's well in the lead of anyone, in any relationship, I've ever seen.
While the idiot guys may get girls in the short term, because they're good looking, friendly (at the beginning), or what ever the case may be, a relationship can't be built on principles that can be taken away so easily. A true, loving and caring relationship has to have the building blocks of a solid friendship before anything can go behind it, and as soon as the friendship is shadowed by anything else, the relationship has no hope until the friendship is back in the spotlight. A 'nice guy' who's the friendly type, more than the other guys who aren't exactly looking for a friendship (... more a girl to make outwith, and screw on the weekends, and hang around with for the fun of it), will have a far better relationship because of the foundations set underneath what comes later.

There's my rant - and I've probably gone around in many circles, but thats what happens when you've got 1 000 000 and 1 thoughts running through ur head.
 
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Pace_T said:
a very similar thing happened 2 me a couple of years ago
it was then that i changed from a nice guy and became a prick/asshole/cocky guy
nice guys come last
i like your reasoning, im already starting to turn into one

Mongke said:
being a nice guy pays off in the long run, being a jerk leaves you with a bunch of girls who never really liked you anyway. do you really want to go out with that girl who doesnt notice you even tho youre dancing naked outside her door and singing "shes just the flavour of the week"? its not worth it, shes not ready and is to afraid to commit. ha! girls with commitment issues! theyre worse than the guys...

out of curiosity, is there a female equivalent to the Nice Guy? im sure there is...
nice guys never win
 

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Casmira said:
i like your reasoning, im already starting to turn into one



i've been reading some of the comments made about orginally nice guys turning into 'cocky pricks' coz a couple of girls turned them down. that's crazy, i mean ur changing ur personalty to suit some bitch's point of view. if all she wants is some dumb prick who treats her like dirt then thats her problem. why should u change, just so u can pick up a couple of dumbass girls who would probably not even want a proper relationship and would soon dump you. i've seen it happen, one of my guys mates was the coolest ever, he rocked, we were so close. then he decides that he is not good enough and is not 'getting any' because he was such a nice guy, so he turns into a major prick. he completly changed. it was the worse experience. we stopped talking because when we went out together, it was soo embarassing, he would treat me like crap and 'his new firiends' were total assholes. i lost one of my best friendships because a perfect 'nice guy' turned into a prick... and guess wat he still has not been in a proper stable relationship. is it really worth it?
 

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JimmyK said:
If you can't communicate in a way that you would with your best friend, you shouldn't be together, because the marrige/relationship won't last unless there's an emotional and mental connection between the two people.
Ah! Exactly. I was trying to explain that to a guy who I just met and wants to go out with me. I don't understand how he thinks I can like someone when I practically don't even know them. But I do go for nice guys :eek: but they are hard to find... well one that is truely sincere.. most of them seem to just put the 'nice guy' identity on, then turn around to their friends and become a jerk.
 

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riot_girl88 said:
i've been reading some of the comments made about orginally nice guys turning into 'cocky pricks' coz a couple of girls turned them down. that's crazy, i mean ur changing ur personalty to suit some bitch's point of view. if all she wants is some dumb prick who treats her like dirt then thats her problem. why should u change, just so u can pick up a couple of dumbass girls who would probably not even want a proper relationship and would soon dump you. i've seen it happen, one of my guys mates was the coolest ever, he rocked, we were so close. then he decides that he is not good enough and is not 'getting any' because he was such a nice guy, so he turns into a major prick. he completly changed. it was the worse experience. we stopped talking because when we went out together, it was soo embarassing, he would treat me like crap and 'his new firiends' were total assholes. i lost one of my best friendships because a perfect 'nice guy' turned into a prick... and guess wat he still has not been in a proper stable relationship. is it really worth it?
wrong. he was never perfect.
 

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riot_girl88 said:
being a nice guy ... is it really worth it?
Now you are REALLY testing my patience. And being a nice guy (or maybe not meh) I have a lot of that. LOOK HERE!!

riot_girl88 said:
this is a never ending debate question! You ask why girls dont go for the 'nice' guys? well coz generally 'bad' boys are more fun to hang around with and if ur too much of a nice guy the girl will take advantage of the fact that ur always gonna be around.
Yes that's right you answered your own question earlier.

Now you really sound like one of my chick friends. I don't really think you've actually gone out and dated a so-called 'nice guy' have you? And here you are trying to lecture people like PaceT and Casmira that they are what 'pricks' and 'wasting their time' (don't quote me i'm not going to read through all that rubbish again).

And so that's where we get to the heart of it. You SAY you want a nice guy. But in reality you'll go out and date those jerks and assholes and adlays and whatever else there are out there apart from the nice guys.

So anyway now that i got all that out .. I would think its because nice guys don't really ask you out then right or some excuse like that? In that case they're pussy-whipped and nice guy + pussy whipped = GG. I'm referring to the nice guys, gentlemen if you will, who actually have a backbone and aren't always changing their agenda to fit into those of people around them.

I'm glad we understand each other :D:D
 

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I'm an asshole, and I finish last. I get told at least twice a week that an ugly girl thinks I'm hot. Wow, thanks, now where are all the Sweedish blondes?
 
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riot_girl88 said:
i've been reading some of the comments made about orginally nice guys turning into 'cocky pricks' coz a couple of girls turned them down. that's crazy, i mean ur changing ur personalty to suit some bitch's point of view. if all she wants is some dumb prick who treats her like dirt then thats her problem. why should u change, just so u can pick up a couple of dumbass girls who would probably not even want a proper relationship and would soon dump you. i've seen it happen, one of my guys mates was the coolest ever, he rocked, we were so close. then he decides that he is not good enough and is not 'getting any' because he was such a nice guy, so he turns into a major prick. he completly changed. it was the worse experience. we stopped talking because when we went out together, it was soo embarassing, he would treat me like crap and 'his new firiends' were total assholes. i lost one of my best friendships because a perfect 'nice guy' turned into a prick... and guess wat he still has not been in a proper stable relationship. is it really worth it?
being a nice guy isnt 100% come naturally, some of it is. but its something you have to keep up, why should i bother keeping up being a nice guy? nothing ever good comes out of it. if you girls want to know who's to blame, take a good look in the mirror (maybe not you personally but you get the idea)

the biggest hypocrits in the world, want a nice guy but then use the most bullshit excuses saying "we're boring"; not all nice guys are little nerds that sit in corners, i go out and have agood time and i know how to enjoy myself, i like most types of music, i like wide range of movie types, beach, soccer, clubbing, partying, and im not trying to boast about myself but all my mates are those "nice guys" and they're exactly the same. infact alot of nice guys are like that, but girls continue to use some recycled excuse, why do girls like it? either they have a mental condition, or a fetish for being dominated/abused. then one day when they wake up on the wrong side of the bed or have PMS and dont like the abuse will dump the boyfriends ass and blame guys for lack of nice guys. then go out with another prick and the cycle continues
 

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