Jiga
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Im sure if they had a better coach they might go better, not a waterboy. Im sure that would also mean their players are kept in line, discouraged from sexually harassing ppl and told not to shit in ppls showers...
The competition on the whole was relatively evenly matched on a consistent game by game basis. I'll go back to my team again to show how lower-ranked sides "matching it with higher-ranked sides" weren't simply a feat monopolised by the Sharks. Let's selectively observe various games between Knights V (Roosters, Dogs, Broncos, Dragons, Panthers), as you have done for the Sharks.Schoolies_2004 said:Yes you need more games, but it still doesnt mean the side didnt have a great game. For the Sharks, we beat the Roosters once, Beat the Bronco's once away and lost in golden point the second match, had two close gamed with the Dogs, should have beat the Dragons 2nd time round if it wasnt for a non-try being allowed which turned the tide of the match, had like a 20 point lead on Penrith and lost it in second half.....
There are more examples of this, but these are some off the top of my head. This shows that the side just didnt pull off some flukes, they consistently matched it with good sides.
Amen to that . I don't think this argument with Schoolies will end until the season starts and he finally sees how bad the sharks perform once again...but even then he will probably come up with a shitload of excuses.ohwhenthesaints said:Schoolies_2004 ..... Where the fuck do I start? I'm really wondering if I should bother with you. Do you really believe any of the shit you wrote? Can you admit there is at least SOME bias involved in your posts...? Or will we have to go through each and every thing you write and make you look stupid?
Lol agreed. Fuck yes not long to go now. Charity Shield this week!! And how fucken good will round 1 be!!! So fired up, can't wait.matt#1 said:Amen to that . I don't think this argument with Schoolies will end until the season starts and he finally sees how bad the sharks perform once again...but even then he will probably come up with a shitload of excuses.
Bring it on, I want to see what you've got - hopefully something more than that merged piece of crap you call a team.If you insist on arguing, please let me know where to start...
Trust me, I cant w8, you've already been embaressed by that great win over Parra by sharks PL. Rd 1 we play Panthers, once we slaughter them, Im gonna give you guys so much shit.. I don't think this argument with Schoolies will end until the season starts and he finally sees how bad the sharks perform once again
Yep, my team plays yours in the first round. Doggies vs Dragons should be an awesome game! Can't wait!!!ohwhenthesaints said:And how fucken good will round 1 be!!! So fired up, can't wait.
LMAO....how did that victory embarass me? I don't follow Parra...and it was only a trial match. Stop taking pride in such an insignificant game.Schoolies_2004 said:Trust me, I cant w8, you've already been embaressed by that great win over Parra by sharks PL.
How does that destroy my argument? All I was saying is that the win is nothing to get excited about, yet you just can't stop bragging about it and saying how it proved you right all along. The Warriors beat Parra by 10 points... does that make them almost twice as good as you? BTW, out of curiosity, did Parra have all of their players playing? Please answer this question for me, thanks.Schoolies_2004 said:The Sharks side was also virtually a brand new side, it had youngsters from JF, players from Newtown PL, Players from Sharks PL, and some dropped 1st grade Players - so that really does destroy your argument. No matter what, trial or not, a side full of seasoned first graders should put to shame a side like the Sharks fielded...but they didnt, in fact, they were beaten.
Ok, you have 4 centres. IMO they are all shit. Vagana was a gun at the Dogs but your club turned him to absolute shit. Most Kiwis didn't want him anywhere near the national side.Schoolies_2004 said:The Sharks side is something to get excited about, I know as a supporter of the team how good the players are, and the side will certainly rival the best in the league. Maybe your just use to your merged scum team, having the best team on paper but always failing, but you must realise, non-chokers dont stuff up with quality sides.
As for depth, the win over Parra illustrates our depth - case closed. The purchasing of players from Newtown and the dropping of some players from 1st grade adds to this fact. Heres one example of depth, in the centres we have:
* Vagana
* Mellor
* McGoldrick
* Mellars
This may not seem like much depth, but these are ALL first grade players, when you can afford to put 1st grade players in PL then you know you've got something going good - this also puts pressure on the top players to perform. In addition to the above list, players like Bailey and Hilder can also occupy the centres if need be, with an abundance of DEPTH in the backrow to fill their vacant positions.
Parramatta won all their trials last year didn't they? How did they go?Schoolies_2004 said:Hardly insignificant, its a sign of things to come .
I couldnt agree with you more from what i saw of Naqiama in the PL final last year he will be unlucky not to play FG this year.ohwhenthesaints said:Good god you are an idiot. There is no doubt you are supporting the right team.
How does that destroy my argument? All I was saying is that the win is nothing to get excited about, yet you just can't stop bragging about it and saying how it proved you right all along. The Warriors beat Parra by 10 points... does that make them almost twice as good as you? BTW, out of curiosity, did Parra have all of their players playing? Please answer this question for me, thanks.
Ok, you have 4 centres. IMO they are all shit. Vagana was a gun at the Dogs but your club turned him to absolute shit. Most Kiwis didn't want him anywhere near the national side.
Anyway, you are talking them up so much but I don't understand why? Ok you used centres from your club as an example so I will use centres from mine as an example...
* GASNIER
* COOPER
* Best
* Torrens
Plus Timmins (former Australian centre) and Creagh (junior rep back, now 2nd row) to fill in if need be. Not to mention Kelly who has limited experience but has played GF centre. Then you talk about knowing how good your players are, well so do I. And Wes Naqiama in my opinion is the clubs 3rd best centre.
So tell me what you proved by telling us all that you have 4 first grade centres? Dogs have Tonga, Loleesi, Harris not to mention juniors like Cutler and Phelps (??? correct me on names if I'm wrong)... oh yeah and Sonny Bill who can play there. Rorters have Monaghan, Walker, Cross, Soliola and Flannery who can play there. Broncos have Tate, Hodges, Berrigan etc etc etc.
I would probably prefer all of these centres to any of the 4 you listed (Vagina used to be good but look what you did to him).
If you were claiming to be a fringe 8 side possible of causing an upset then fine... However claiming you will be one of the best and expecting to win, as you can probably see, is quite stupid.
Looking forward to being slayed...
There were two players who didnt play, Hindmarsh and someone else. I dont see how this changes the fact that the Sharks PL side beat a side full of seasonsed 1st graders - thats an accomplishment.BTW, out of curiosity, did Parra have all of their players playing? Please answer this question for me, thanks.
I dont rate Best or Torens. So you have two good centres. And you say you dont rate McGoldrick (NSW Union wanted him), Vagana (Didnt have good year last - but even the best players have forms slumps - ESPECIALLY after injury) and Mellor (Maybe you should watch this guy in action for the Sharks a couple of years back).Ok you used centres from your club as an example so I will use centres from mine as an example...
* GASNIER
* COOPER
* Best
* Torrens
I have proven that my side can match it with the best depth wise, you have also proven this by showing the centres of other sides, all the good sides have around 4 decent centres for depth -> so do the sharks. Having said this, you also mention players like Phelps etc, the Sharks also have younger players coming through but its pety to mention JF players - BTW, remember sharks JF got into the GF last year, must be some ok centres their, but still, I wont mention these guys.So tell me what you proved by telling us all that you have 4 first grade centres?
No, I cant see it as stupid. Maybe saying the Sharks will win the Premiership is due to some bias, as you would expect from a fan, but saying they will be potentially top 4 is quite reasonable. If you have a look at season 2004 for the Sharks, with a shithouse side we could have ranked in the top 8 if we had beaten teams like Souths, but inconsistancy cost us. In 2005, with a very new backline and a larger pack, I dont see this happening againIf you were claiming to be a fringe 8 side possible of causing an upset then fine... However claiming you will be one of the best and expecting to win, as you can probably see, is quite stupid.
Who cares what the hell someone did a couple of years ago...what he may have done back then isn't going to win you the premiership this year.Schoolies_2004 said:...and Mellor (Maybe you should watch this guy in action for the Sharks a couple of years back).
Hindmarsh, Cayless, Robinson I believe... probably their starting backrow. For fucks sake. All I am trying to say is GET OVER IT. You won a fucking trial match, do you understand that or not? It's not an accomplishment, it's a TRIAL. Like I said, Parra won all theirs last year, how did they go?Schoolies_2004 said:There were two players who didnt play, Hindmarsh and someone else. I dont see how this changes the fact that the Sharks PL side beat a side full of seasonsed 1st graders - thats an accomplishment.
I don't rate Best and Torrens as more than back up centres, which we will obviously need with Gaz. But they are 1st grade centres, which is what you took such pride in having 4 of. Adding to that, IMO Gasnier and Cooper are along with Tonga the best centres in the game. And like I said, Wes is my 3rd choice centre, just needs some luck with injuries.Schoolies_2004 said:I dont rate Best or Torens. So you have two good centres. And you say you dont rate McGoldrick (NSW Union wanted him), Vagana (Didnt have good year last - but even the best players have forms slumps - ESPECIALLY after injury) and Mellor (Maybe you should watch this guy in action for the Sharks a couple of years back).
Lol, do you really believe that?Schoolies_2004 said:I have proven that my side can match it with the best depth wise
The reason I mentioned them in terms of DEPTH is because they are junior Kangaroos. Please do mention your guys, if you know who they are. If we had Sims, Poore and Creagh playing JF instead of FG I'd be fairly confident we would have dominated along with the Rorters.Schoolies_2004 said:Having said this, you also mention players like Phelps etc, the Sharks also have younger players coming through but its pety to mention JF players - BTW, remember sharks JF got into the GF last year, must be some ok centres their, but still, I wont mention these guys.
You are the only oneSchoolies_2004 said:No, I cant see it as stupid.
The accomplishment lies in what side beat them, Sharks PLHindmarsh, Cayless, Robinson I believe... probably their starting backrow. For fucks sake. All I am trying to say is GET OVER IT. You won a fucking trial match, do you understand that or not? It's not an accomplishment, it's a TRIAL. Like I said, Parra won all theirs last year, how did they go?
And your not biased? Vagana will go better this year without injury (hopefully), Mellor should go ok however their is a question mark due to his age, nevertheless hes strong in defence and Goldie although abit of a weakness in defence has some good speed in attack. I wont deny the merged scum have it over us in 1st grade centres, but depth wise, Id say we are equal. Not that it matters, Scum George could have the best centres in the game but still lose, it isnt easy with a waterboy as a coach.I don't rate Best and Torrens as more than back up centres, which we will obviously need with Gaz. But they are 1st grade centres, which is what you took such pride in having 4 of. Adding to that, IMO Gasnier and Cooper are along with Tonga the best centres in the game. And like I said, Wes is my 3rd choice centre, just needs some luck with injuries.
I do not rate your centres at all. Vagana was a gun with the Dogs but absolute shit with you. He will have to prove himself this year for me to change my mind. Mellar was good for the Sharks a couple of years back? WOW, who gives a fuck. He's shit, and Goldilocks is just fucken shithouse.
It wont be the first time a team comes out from nowhere and has a good season, just look in recent history, the Panthers, come out fro being last to win the Premiership.You are the only one
Are you serious? The Sharks are going to slaughter the Panthers. Right. In what universe? Even if the Sharks pull off some superhuman win it'll be by one try at the most. The Panthers are 5 times better than the Sharks on paper (and I don't even go for them).Schoolies_2004 said:Trust me, I cant w8, you've already been embaressed by that great win over Parra by sharks PL. Rd 1 we play Panthers, once we slaughter them, Im gonna give you guys so much shit.
ohwhenthesaints said:Hindmarsh, Cayless, Robinson I believe... probably their starting backrow. For fucks sake. All I am trying to say is GET OVER IT. You won a fucking trial match, do you understand that or not? It's not an accomplishment, it's a TRIAL. Like I said, Parra won all theirs last year, how did they go?
I don't rate Best and Torrens as more than back up centres, which we will obviously need with Gaz. But they are 1st grade centres, which is what you took such pride in having 4 of. Adding to that, IMO Gasnier and Cooper are along with Tonga the best centres in the game. And like I said, Wes is my 3rd choice centre, just needs some luck with injuries.
I do not rate your centres at all. Vagana was a gun with the Dogs but absolute shit with you. He will have to prove himself this year for me to change my mind. Mellar was good for the Sharks a couple of years back? WOW, who gives a fuck. He's shit, and Goldilocks is just fucken shithouse.
Lol, do you really believe that?
The reason I mentioned them in terms of DEPTH is because they are junior Kangaroos. Please do mention your guys, if you know who they are. If we had Sims, Poore and Creagh playing JF instead of FG I'd be fairly confident we would have dominated along with the Rorters.
You are the only one