Serial Killers (2 Viewers)

[babyslug]

Another area which i find particularly interesting - and although this will probably freak alot of you out (including my mum) - a book by Elliot Leyton "Sole Survivor: Children that murder their families."

Some of these kids are absolute masterminds.

 

[Snapwizard]

Originally posted by babyslug
you'll get over it, snapwizard As for me, it's been a phase for the past 3 years or so. i did my major projects back during my hsc years on serial killers. I find that this is really interesting, Snapwizard - listen to this.
"They call it 'anthropophagy": literally, to consume humans. Cannibalism is the crime which probably shocks and disgusts more than any other. Yet, at the same time, along with the antipathy and horror, cannibalism and vampirism also exude a fascination. Why is that? Could it be something in our psychological make-up which harks back to the past? Have we the capacity, as HG Wells Morlocks had, to slip back into that bestial nature of a primitive past which we all share? "

Here are some of my favourite serial killers (for you to have a read on) Jeffrey Dahmer, the Zodiac Killer, Ted Bundy, Edmund Kemper (he was really interesting), John Wayne Gacy, ED GEIN!! Albert Fish - when you're done with them i have more! Have fun reading.

LADY offense but you are sick I'm not trying to get into serial killers, I'm trying to forget then But thanks your your lovely posts, its gonna be stuck with me for a very long time. Personally I'll never be a serial kill, cause i'm not smart enough, heard they're real smart, take care out there if you become a CSI Ted Bundy was a amazing serial killer, BTW give me good reads on serials killers that have never been cought, shouldnt you be reading on those and purhaps your make the big breakthrough.

 

[babyslug]

Yeah the Zodiac has never been caught. But they think he's been arrested for another petty crime or something. They actually thought he was the washington sniper at one stage.

 

[Snapwizard]

Originally posted by babyslug
Yeah the Zodiac has never been caught. But they think he's been arrested for another petty crime or something. They actually thought he was the washington sniper at one stage.

Whos this Zodaic guy? and how come there anit any hot female serial killers ,Anyways, dont you need to do psychology to be a great dictective?

 

[Lexicographer]

Originally posted by Snapwizard
Whos this Zodaic guy? and how come there anit any hot female serial killers ,Anyways, dont you need to do psychology to be a great dictective?

Part of Criminology IS Psychology. Of course, Clinical Psychologists can't just jump over and become Criminologists, as there is more to it than just the mind.

 

[Patricio]

Originally posted by babyslug
Behaviour of a Serial Killer
1. Usually introspective and withdrawn, he has few associates and no close friends and enjoys olitary pursuits like reading or going to the cinema alone, often to see horror films.
2. He feels inadequate and inferior, except in regard to his crimes, which make him feel god-like, and is likely to offend when he has suffered a loss of self esteem such as loss of job, or being ridiculed by someone, especially in a sexual context.
3. He can be a hypochondriac and display squeamishness.
4. He has an elaborate fantasy life, imagining sadistic scenes which he acts out in his killings. He is fascinated by atrocities and excited by cruelty, such as that committed byt he Nazis, and collects books or pictures of such images.
5. He has an inordinate interest in weapons, often having a large collection which he may lovingly handle, and even endow some with pet names.
6. He is usually under 35, unmarried and of high intelligence
7. He is usually sexually dysfunctional, has usually h ad little or no experience of normal sexual intercourse and may hate all females.
8. Many take jobs which satisfy their sadistic inclinations, such as butchery or slaughter house work - in much the same way that necrophiles often obtain jobs as mortuary attendants and grave diggers.
9. He has a strong, ambivalent relationship wtih his mother, both loving and hating her. He is often seen as a 'mother's boy' when adult. Sometimes he commits matricide.
10. Sometimes the father is excessively punitive and authoritarian.
11. There is a great interest in pornography, particularly sadistic pornography.
12. A history of cruelty to animals is particularly significant when it relates to cats, dogs, birds and farm animals. Stabbing or hanging is common, although worse cruelties can be inflicted.
13. The method of killing his human is almost always strangling, which gives him a greater sense of power over his victims, playing with them 'like a cat with a mouse'
14. Although these are sexually motivated crimes, sexual intercourse or orgasm does not always occur. Sometimes the murderer masturbates and sometimes a penis-substitute - such as a piece of wood or a knife - is used to violate the victim.
15. When captured and institutionalized in hospitals or prisons, he is very well behaved, which can result in his being released or sent to a less secure unit.

The above is rubbish and a lot of it comes from (baseless) Freudian theories. The above list is one of the reasons that profiling is an interesting thing, but something that is rarely ever used in the real world (finding people based on generalisations and patterns).

 

[Patricio]

Originally posted by babyslug
I started reading a book by an ex FBI guy - John Douglas, who invented criminal profiling. It's sooooooo good. If you're interested in the psychology behind serial killers, that's definitely the book to read.

Don't confuse criminal profiling and (forensic) psychology. Criminal profiling involves a lot of guesswork (hence why there have only been 3 famous ones in America), and therefore aren't that credible (there is not one full-time profiler in the whole of Aus or the UK). The psychology (and motivation) behind serial killers goes a lot deeper than the patterns that are involved in criminal profiling.

Originally posted by Lexicographer
Part of Criminology IS Psychology. Of course, Clinical Psychologists can't just jump over and become Criminologists, as there is more to it than just the mind.

Isn't Criminology more to do with the evaluation of criminal policy etc than actually dealing with criminals and their motivations?
And Lexicographer, I think you meant Forensic Psychologists (not Clinical).

To really get into the intricacies of the minds of criminals, look up forensic psychology/psychiatry journals (some are available on the net), instead of bestseller books and compilation websites

 

[babyslug]

Originally posted by Snapwizard
Whos this Zodaic guy? and how come there anit any hot female serial killers ,Anyways, dont you need to do psychology to be a great dictective?

I am doing a double major in criminology and psychology.

Originally posted by Patricio
Don't confuse criminal profiling and (forensic) psychology. Criminal profiling involves a lot of guesswork (hence why there have only been 3 famous ones in America), and therefore aren't that credible (there is not one full-time profiler in the whole of Aus or the UK). The psychology (and motivation) behind serial killers goes a lot deeper than the patterns that are involved in criminal profiling.


Isn't Criminology more to do with the evaluation of criminal policy etc than actually dealing with criminals and their motivations?
And Lexicographer, I think you meant Forensic Psychologists (not Clinical).

To really get into the intricacies of the minds of criminals, look up forensic psychology/psychiatry journals (some are available on the net), instead of bestseller books and compilation websites

Lexicographer meant clinical psychology.
The list above about serial killers and their behaviour is not in any way based on Freudian theories. The criteria was developed by Criminal Profiler founder(s) John Douglas and Robert Ressler. I very much doubt that Douglas and Ressler intended to insinuate that all serial killers or wouldbe serial killers meet the above criteria - however it is heavily implied that these are some traits that the majority of serial killers seem to have.

 

[Snapwizard]

Originally posted by babyslug
I am doing a double major in criminology and psychology.

Its too hard to outsmart geniuses, and how old were you when you got into this sick facination Why cant you just be a normal girl and be interested in world peace or something

 

[Lexicographer]

Originally posted by Patricio
And Lexicographer, I think you meant Forensic Psychologists (not Clinical).

To really get into the intricacies of the minds of criminals, look up forensic psychology/psychiatry journals (some are available on the net), instead of bestseller books and compilation websites

No, I was making the point that Clinical Psychologists would still require Criminological training, as their Psychological studies would be overwhelmingly insufficient for Criminal analysis. I think we all just agreed with each other.

I've also been trying to find some published literature on Criminal Psych[ology/iatry] though I have found Public Libraries to be disappointingly insufficient. So far I have come across zero journals with even an article on the topic, and the books thrown in my path are more "dumbed down crimethink for the masses to read on their morning commute". A real shame, since I'll have to wait for a chance to access the medical/psychological libraries at wherever uni I go next (UTS has neither course). That is, if I'm fortunate (and commited) enough to move on at all.

Originally posted by Snapwizard
Its too hard to outsmart geniuses, and how old were you when you got into this sick facination Why cant you just be a normal girl and be interested in world peace or something

Most "normal" girls don't give a damn about World Peace. They are more interested in their boyfriend and their boobs (the stupid ones) or their marks and their money (the smart ones). This is not an all-encasing generalisation, as we know that all generalisations are false.

 

[Patricio]

Originally posted by babyslug
however it is heavily implied that these are some traits that the majority of serial killers seem to have.

And my point is that producing such a list for the public only seems to degrade their work, turning it into what some people would see as an art (because it is an art, not scientific) based on mass generalisations (of course, they can't scientifically back anything up in that list, it's probably an amalgamation of what they found in the 'few' criminals they did catch in their time). I'd point out some of the seemingly Freudian references, but I can't be bothered at the moment

Originally posted by Lexicographer
No, I was making the point that Clinical Psychologists would still require Criminological training, as their Psychological studies would be overwhelmingly insufficient for Criminal analysis. I think we all just agreed with each other.

I agree with the above, and further suggest the Forensic Psychologist, a professional whose specific training suits what's being discussed here, rather than a clinical psychologist/psychiatrist being trained outside their specialty

Originally posted by Lexicographer
I've also been trying to find some published literature on Criminal Psych[ology/iatry] though I have found Public Libraries to be disappointingly insufficient. So far I have come across zero journals with even an article on the topic, and the books thrown in my path are more "dumbed down crimethink for the masses to read on their morning commute". A real shame, since I'll have to wait for a chance to access the medical/psychological libraries at wherever uni I go next (UTS has neither course). That is, if I'm fortunate (and commited) enough to move on at all.

Surely you know someone at UNSW who would lend you their library card? The medical/psychology/iatry journals (found in the Biomedical Library - and the more horrific journals being held in the Mathews Building) abound on this type of thing.

 

[babyslug]

Originally posted by Snapwizard
Its too hard to outsmart geniuses, and how old were you when you got into this sick facination Why cant you just be a normal girl and be interested in world peace or something

I think i was probably in year ten at the time - which would have made me 14-15

 

[kkorpz]

Originally posted by Lexicographer
Most "normal" girls don't give a damn about World Peace. They are more interested in their boyfriend and their boobs (the stupid ones) or their marks and their money (the smart ones). This is not an all-encasing generalisation, as we know that all generalisations are false.

hahaha.. I would have to say that it so a generalisation.. some girls can be interested in their boyfriend, money and study at the same time.. just depends on the girl and what they value.

tru that not all girls go for world peace.. hah! couldn't give a stuff..! I doubt it'll ever happen.. there's too much corruption in the world.. kekeke..

 

[Snapwizard]

Originally posted by babyslug
I think i was probably in year ten at the time - which would have made me 14-15

You were interested in serial killers when all your girlfriends where interested other boys tsk tsk - must of when wrong somewhere

 

[Snapwizard]

Originally posted by Lexicographer
Most "normal" girls don't give a damn about World Peace. They are more interested in their boyfriend and their boobs (the stupid ones) or their marks and their money (the smart ones). This is not an all-encasing generalisation, as we know that all generalisations are false.

Boobs??? I thought it was boys interested in their boobs?? anyways dosnt really explain slugs sick fitish

 

[kkorpz]

Originally posted by Snapwizard
Boobs??? I thought it was boys interested in their boobs??

hehehe.. only the stoopid ones..

 

[Lexicographer]

Originally posted by kkorpz
hahaha.. I would have to say that it so a generalisation..

That's the point.

Originally posted by Snapwizard
Boobs??? I thought it was boys interested in their boobs??

No, they are fixated by the notion that their breasts are too big, too small, the wrong shape, in the wrong alignment or other such "defects".

Originally posted by Snapwizard
anyways dosnt really explain slugs sick fitish

Her fascination is neither sick nor a fetish. It merely shows a level of thought about the mentality (and methodology) of these people that goes far deeper than you could credit to the average person. I myself find it admirable, though I'm biased by my own interest in the area.

Fetishes are a sexual fixation. Don't use that term wrongly again.

 

[kkorpz]

Originally posted by Lexicographer
Fetishes are a sexual fixation. Don't use that term wrongly again.

Hence another language lesson from Lexi

 

[Lexicographer]

That's not language. It's misuse of terminology.

If I wanted to give a language lesson I'd play dissect-a-post (and that's only when I want to totally own someone).

But I don't dislike this one

 

[kkorpz]

Originally posted by Lexicographer
That's not language. It's misuse of terminology.

hahaha.. now you're giving me the lesson. OKay.. I'll remember that word.. 'terminology'..