aLexTasyy
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you are getting it wrong. It's no longer a UAI its an ATAR! get it right...
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aussie-boy
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You say that about pretty much any interesting thread on this forum... discussion happens because its stimulating to voice an opinion and get the occasional intelligent response
Yes I did, you obviously haven't been reading my posts. I suggested making all 2 unit subjects of similar difficulty. The scaling would be unchanged, but people would choose to study what they were interested in, knowing that dumb people would no longer flock to "easy" subjects, thereby screwing up the whole cohort's marks.
This is the last time I'm saying this. Take person A and B. They have the same IQs and work ethic. A loves english and maths, but B loves design and technology and economics. If the HSC was fair, their UAIs would be identical. But under the current scaling system, A's will be significantly higher than B's. (Even if A only does advanced english and 2 maths).
I know someone who got 99.90 without counting any maths at all, and without any ext english.
So you're wrong.
Scaling is fair. There is no way to make two different courses "equal" in difficulty. It's like trying to make an apple and an orange "equal".
Difficulty is always subjective, if you want it to be determined by humans. This is why the best way to compare different courses is by using unbiased statistical methods.
Again, the scaling system never assumes that one course is harder than another; scaling is carried out afresh each year, and this automatically takes into account the difficulty of each exam in each year.
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IQ has no matter in this.
Subjects are assigned difficulty rankings, and people should be rewarded for doing harder subjects, if they can manage.
Take person A and person B, both are dumbarses, one is less than the other. Person A does Ext 2 maths, person be does general. Person A fails in Ext and gets a shit ATAR, peron B does very well in general and gets a state rank! He gets a good ATAR. How is this not fair?
You cannot proceed to make subjects the same difficulty, because, inherent in the nature of all knowledge, there will be hard and easy subjects. By allowing scaling to take place, people are rewarded for choosing subjects which suit them the best (not too hard, not too easy), thus the system works.
Next, how does DT compare to English or maths? They use TOTALLY different ideas and skills, and as long as you do well at them, you will recieve a good UAI.
Basically, summing up:
The HSC is fair and so is scaling
Can't compare subjects
Different subjects call for different skills
Subjects are assigned difficulty rankings, and people should be rewarded for doing harder subjects, if they can manage.
Take person A and person B, both are dumbarses, one is less than the other. Person A does Ext 2 maths, person be does general. Person A fails in Ext and gets a shit ATAR, peron B does very well in general and gets a state rank! He gets a good ATAR. How is this not fair?
You cannot proceed to make subjects the same difficulty, because, inherent in the nature of all knowledge, there will be hard and easy subjects. By allowing scaling to take place, people are rewarded for choosing subjects which suit them the best (not too hard, not too easy), thus the system works.
Next, how does DT compare to English or maths? They use TOTALLY different ideas and skills, and as long as you do well at them, you will recieve a good UAI.
Basically, summing up:
The HSC is fair and so is scaling
Can't compare subjects
Different subjects call for different skills
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wth, plenty of people get over 95 without any math, science or extensions.
Considering everyone who does 3 unit maths and 3 unit english has 2 unit for both counted, this is an extremely stupid argument.
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lol, but if you disagreed with a system, wouldn't you want it changed before it affected you? Not that posting on bos would change anything.
my sister (hsc 2008) uai 99.75; maths, english adv, modern history, ancient history, latin, latin ext.
there- no maths ex or eng ex. and i'm sure there are plenty of other examples out there.
samthebear
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+repp for you :rofl: silly children. its not what you do but how well you do it.
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Inherent relative difficulties are meaningless when writing HSC courses; no subject is written at the final frontier of a field of knowledge - there is certainly scope to make subjects like DT, economics and geography much much more difficult
You're right that people are rewarded for picking difficult subjects. I agree that they should be. What I'm arguing for is a larger range of "difficult subjects" so that smart people with a broader range of interests than Eng/Maths can maximise their full potential.
In essence I'm not against scaling, just against the harsh damage that scaling does to the marks of intelligent individuals studying "dumb" subjects.
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lol
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Dragonmaster262
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Lol, this thread isn't as funny as this one:
http://community.boredofstudies.org...u-treated-unfair-read-sign-my-petition/5.html
http://community.boredofstudies.org...u-treated-unfair-read-sign-my-petition/5.html
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ffs, if you hate the scaling process so much drop out or get an IB.
My advice: Life's a bitch- DEAL WITH IT!
My advice: Life's a bitch- DEAL WITH IT!
Schoey93
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Those who post in threads without out reading my original posters messages embedded in pages 1-5, consider this:
1) The BOS will pay attention to anyone who contacts them via phone, kicks up their feet and makes a fuss about serious mistreatment of student marks (they have to... it's the law and their repsonsibility to allow you access to your OWN raw marks).
2) I actually did propose a new system, which you obviously were too FUCKING LASY to read, which of course reflects you favouring a system where people with excellent mathematical ability such as yourself, can do minimal work (1.5 hours study and H/W or so combined per night) and still achieve a 95.00+ ATAR. Now, don't get me wrong, I love math too; but I don't go doing 4u math, phys and chem, eng adv and such just to scale me up. I actually have a wide variety of subjects; and maths won't even count for me because I do it at TAFE and it is not an HSC-recognised course.
3) NOT TRUE, the HSC is unfair and many a student who has achieved 90 UAI + has said so, many times before.
Take, for example, jennieTalia, BoS member and anti-scaling rep. She got a NSW UAI of 96.20 and despite her cough cough slightly euphoric joy and so on about getting into her desired course; she WAS disappointed that she didn't achieve a higher UAI despie eight units of Band Sixes.