whats differnet to B info tech & B info sys degree (1 Viewer)

[th]

so how is B IT differnt to info sys ?????
does info sys have like progamming or all that technical stuff cause i dont really want to do this but actually more depth into business IT?????????

neone doin info sys would really help????

 

[doe]

do a business degree. the names are just marketing exercises, any differences are superficial.

 

[kalli]

i do bach bus (bus info sys) and i do everything from economics to programming.... info tech has a lot more programming at my uni...

 

[doe]

info sys is largely bullshit. the parts of it that arent completely wrong are more or less useless, and its fairly moot as noone is going to put a graduate in a position of designing things (unless you happen to work at a tiny company as a jack of all trades).

the business side of IT is very different from the technical side, which is why many programmers who start companies fail, and the board of many successful IT companies will have only maybe 1 or 2 (if that) members who understand the technical side, out of 10 or 12.

your best bet would be to do a business degree with maybe a bit of info sys, maybe not, but to supplement your degree with industry specific knowledge. you can do this by

- reading the business section of the paper each day, looking for articles relating to IT companies
- reading books on IT business people. (maybe start with steve ballmer and lou gerstner)

if you want to work in the business side of IT, you will have much more success getting a job being able explain why (and how) steve ballmer deserves to make more money doing his daily poop than most people make in a year, rather than to be able to draw a few diagrams that will never reflect reality.

from a marketing perspective (as in, marketing yourself to prospective employers), it is useful having something vaugely IT related on your degree name, so a BBus (Info Sys) wouldnt hurt. but make sure you can talk the talk.

another thing, you usually have a lot of freedom chosing units within a degree. i did a BSc in computing and along the way couldve done african drumming and some business units, if i wanted too.

 

[poloktim]

IT is more computer related, and InfoSys is more business related (you learn to run computers for business).

I'd recommend you do Computer Science if you're really into computers/programming (some universities call it IT, but others have seperate structures for IT and CompSc). If you want something more business oriented (and with easier computing components), then do Information Systems. Even though I'm a geek, and it pains me to say it, but Information Systems is more practical (because you're taught in view of running business computers).

As doe said above, you have the freedom in a lot of degrees to choose the subjects you want.

Best thing to do is to load up various university websites, and look at their IT/CompSc/InfoSys degrees, and choose out of all of them which is best for you. I can't stress enough how important this is. If you go into uni not knowing what's going on, chances are you're going to either fail, or not reach your full potential.

Best of luck choosing one.

 

[acmilan]

Usyd offers BIT and CompSci and allows you to do a major in information systems. I guess if you want to do both sides of computing you can do a double major in information systems and software development or computational science or networks etc...

 

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MQ offers B eBus, B IT, B CompSci, B InfoSystem


to me, B eBus(Management) course structure is rather similiar to B InforSystem

so you can do what doe said
or shop around different degrees from different uni and make your own judgement

 

[MoonlightSonata]

so how is B IT differnt to info sys ?????
does info sys have like progamming or all that technical stuff cause i dont really want to do this but actually more depth into business IT?????????

neone doin info sys would really help????

It depends on what B. IT degree you are talking about. The B. IT degree at USYD is basically the most prestigious computer degree in the country. It is designed to produce managers and leaders in the industry. It covers all aspects of IT, from software design/development/programming, to info/business systems, to a variety of other fields you can choose to specialise in. So in that sense it is worth trying to get into it.

But, excluding USYD IT, "IT" in general is more of a broad coverage of the field, rather than the more technical, focused areas -- say, if you wanted to be a software developer -- you would do B. Comp Sci, or B. Software Engineering.

 

[§eraphim]

Why would u say USyd's BIT is better than BIT from UNSW? Eg. BIT Co-op, or Info Sys & Mgmt at UNSW

 

[acmilan]

Why would u say USyd's BIT is better than BIT from UNSW? Eg. BIT Co-op, or Info Sys & Mgmt at UNSW

To me, usyd's BIT was appealing due to the flexibility. If you wanted you could turn it into an information systems degree, or computational science, or hardcore programming or as Moonlight said a more of managerial approach to IT, then theres networks, digital systems, linguistics, multimedia. In effect you can turn it into whatever you want it to be. Personally im doing a double major in the hardcore programming and managerial stuff, and if i can fit it in, computational science.

 

[MoonlightSonata]

Why would u say USyd's BIT is better than BIT from UNSW? Eg. BIT Co-op, or Info Sys & Mgmt at UNSW

UNSW doesn't have a B.IT as such. Even for the universities that do have a B.IT, it is not the same sort of degree as the USYD version. The USYD B.IT is an exclusive degree designed to produce senior managers and leaders of the industry who are skilled across a diverse range of fields.

There are other degrees that specialise in certain areas, such as software engingeering, and computer science, which are common to both universities however. UNSW is renowned for its computer science degree. UTS also has a reputation for very practical degrees, and its B. Science (IT)/Diploma in IT has the advantage of a scholarship program. Also their entire IT faculty and IT labs were outfitted with new systems rather recently.

My advice is to put down B.IT at USYD as first preference no matter what area of IT you want to do, as it is the best IT degree out there. However, beyond that it depends on what you want to do. Also, you can submit an experienced programmer's portfolio application to USYD's IT faculty (see their website for details), which they will consider if your UAI is slightly below the cutoff.

 

[doe]

My advice is to put down B.IT at USYD as first preference no matter what area of IT you want to do, as it is the best IT degree out there. However, beyond that it depends on what you want to do. Also, you can submit an experienced programmer's portfolio application to USYD's IT faculty (see their website for details), which they will consider if your UAI is slightly below the cutoff.

you're joking right?

 

[MoonlightSonata]

you're joking right?

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[doe]

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i rank usyd as one of the worse unis in sydney to do computing at. you seem like a very intelligent person, so i am interested in your opinion as to why you think its so great.

The USYD B.IT is an exclusive degree designed to produce senior managers and leaders of the industry who are skilled across a diverse range of fields.

no offence, but i literally laughed out loud to that.

 

[acmilan]

usyd's getting a brand new building dedicated to IT next year. Its currently in the progress of being built

 

[acmilan]

in rates of jobs after uni, which course gives u a better employment chance?
B Computer Science, B Info Sys or B IT?

I'd say IT. If you get into co-op BIT your chances increase even further since thats sponsored by major companies

 

[acmilan]

whats co-op IT?

Co-op degrees are basically scholarship degrees. UTS and i think UNSW offer them in IT. You basically have to apply through a form, and then go for interviews etc and they pick some 30 odd students for the degree. Its sponsored by a number of major companies and you get some $10,000 from memory a year to do it.

 

[doe]

in rates of jobs after uni, which course gives u a better employment chance?
B Computer Science, B Info Sys or B IT?

what do you want to do?

 

[doe]

like, what sortof field (prgramming, administration, sales?)

 

[doe]

yeah no maths is tricky.

degrees in IT/comp sci are pretty useless for the real world, but you need to have one because everyone else does.

your abilities go much further than your marks/university. so if you have an IT degree from any of the main uni's, and you can sit down and talk about programming intelligently (which most grads cant), you'll do ok.