Who is going to vote liberal? (2 Viewers)

[withoutaface]

1. Of course... it is very flexible to be able to sack indiscriminantly. There are literally stories of - I kid you not - a girl fecieving overtime pat in the form of a barbeque chicken. Very flexible.

Wooo anecdotal evidence.

3. Tax cuts. I am confused - didnt you say yourself that these tax cuts were matched by labour?

And Labor plans to renege on every promise it's made all campaign.

5. Prove it.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1753915.htm

My apologies on the tax cuts. However, if that makes me an ignorant douche, what does that make John Howard who couldnt remember the interest rate?

Tu quoque.

And why cut governemnt spending further?
- We should give out tax cuts. THese will increase inflation.
- We shoud decrease government funding. These will decrease inflation.

We should cut government spending so that we can redirect that spending power back into the pockets of individuals, who know their own needs and wants far better than any government. And I've already explained that tax cuts which are met with a decrease in government spending are NOT inflationary.

Then why give the tax cuts out just to take them back. And by the way, the government has not promised to decrease funding - quite the contrary.
I would rather see that money go into a hospital, or building in Aboriginal communities than tax cuts.

You'd prefer we further exacerbate the rampant welfare dependence which leads to alcoholism, unemployment and child abuse? Nice social conscience you've got there.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

You'd prefer we further exacerbate the rampant welfare dependence which leads to alcoholism, unemployment and child abuse? Nice social conscience you've got there.

I'm sure there are other ways of providing government support to hospitals (DAMN THOSE HOSPITALS FOR THEIR LEADING TO ALCOHOL ABUSE!) and Aboriginals that doesn't lead to all those bad, bad things you listed. Like you know...building a school and paying some moolah to teachers to go and teach out there? Training more nurses, putting up nurse wages etc. Lol, wait a second, he didn't even mention welfare in the quote you used. GJ.

But no, PUBLIC SPENDING IS EEEVIL!

 

[chicky_pie]

Thread starter: WHY are you voting for Labor?

typical response: "Because he's young and he's on Youtube!"

Seriously, I'm voting for Liberals, why? Because they've done so much for this country, the Liberals are the stronghold of the strings that is attached to this country that all the states is run by Labor Premiers that couldn't look after this country if it was to be all Labor, our country would become dust! hospitals, trains, decriminalise criminals, water etc etc.

* Unemployment is lower compared to 'before 1996'

* 11 years in power is not long, compared to Labor (states) being in power longer

* we don't have stupid union bogans going on strikes again and causing people headaches any more. I have people saying Unions give people more headache than workchoices.

* Interest Rate rise: Umm our economy is growing stronger as we speak, duh of course interest rates is going to increase, maybe people who keep on borrowing money should stop and think...and learn how to SAVE up instead of borrowing money all the time. Plus the government has no control of interest rates, don't be stupid by Labor's silly tactics.

* Rudd is a socialist Christian, and I don't want a leader that is gonna mention Jesus Christ in his speech all the time. You know he would put a church in every public and private schools in this country if he's elected. Peter Garrett told me so.

* Him and his Global Warming = LOLz, like anyone really cares, yes us humans are stuffing up the environment atm but we are in no way of controlling the solar system....p.s the sun is the real reason why is causing our planet to heat up. BTW go to Greenland, they love global warming there, it's actually a good thing up there.

* If Labor goes into power, they will not promise the policies they have said so far in this election (which is mostly a copycat of Liberal's policies) *cough* *cough* plagiarism plagiarism.


* Education: It should be the states problems. Labor hasn't even really funded much on state public schools, kinda rings the bell when you see how public schools are treated by Labor. Reminds me of a quote from Summer Heights High "Public school is total povo" or something along that line...

* I hate Rudd and Labor's logo 'for the working families' WHAT WORKING FAMILIES? There's a lot of people out there even working harder than working families, what does Rudd know about working families? Since him and his wife are total millionaires, living in up as a wealthy rich family.

 

[Generator]

I am trying to generate some kind of debate here.

Insulting people with a different political outlook (see "and I'm pretty sure its just because their parents raised them like that") isn't a great idea when one is requesting a reasoned response to a 'pressing' question.

Before you work yourself into a tiz, I suggest that take note of the fact that you are unlikely to sway any members of the forum with your arguments given that those who will be responding to this thread aren't going to share your view that their political leanings are in any way 'incorrect'.

I also agree with Exphate. Learn to spell.

The above aside, have fun on your soap-box .


p.s., shout out to the mods. Last time, I promise!

 

[Triangulum]

And Labor plans to renege on every promise it's made all campaign.

Wooo anecdotal evidence.

You'd prefer we further exacerbate the rampant welfare dependence which leads to alcoholism, unemployment and child abuse?

Perhaps we should actually work on a long-term policy that provides opportunities for people to get off welfare, rather than making emotional appeals about how It's For The Children! and ignoring the real issues.

 

[A High Way Man]

lol, student conservatism

 

[withoutaface]

Wooo anecdotal evidence.

What on earth are you on about? I'm talking about comments made by a senior minister, not promises which may or may not have been broken by past Labor governments...

Perhaps we should actually work on a long-term policy that provides opportunities for people to get off welfare, rather than making emotional appeals about how It's For The Children! and ignoring the real issues.

I agree, and it should start with relocating them to somewhere where jobs exist.

 

[katie_tully]

If you think that howard has good ideas, then shouldnt you be glad that Rudd agrees with him?

No, not really. If they have the same ideas then I'd still rather go with the guy who as a tried and tested track record.

 

[Triangulum]

What on earth are you on about? I'm talking about comments made by a senior minister, not promises which may or may not have been broken by past Labor governments...

Comments made by a senior shadow minister that weren't recorded and which were, according to two out of the three people party to the conversation, inaccurately reported by a radio hack, and are being blown out of proportion by a media looking to find an interesting story.

 

[jb_nc]

Comments made by a senior shadow minister that weren't recorded and which were, according to two out of the three people party to the conversation, inaccurately reported by a radio hack, and are being blown out of proportion by a media looking to find an interesting story.

I roffled slightly because when Steve Price was talking about the "comments" there was a Joe Hockey election poster behind him.

lol.

 

[Mevelyn2551]

village-idoit36 is quite an accurate name.

It's LABOR not LABOUR
and
COALITION not COHALITION.

My apologies but I had an exam earlier today and I really wasnt paying that much attention to spelling. I just wanted to write and get it out. Not to mention that it was 11:30 at night and I was typing at full speed.

While were getting anal on spelling - you do know that it's isnt a word. THere is no possesive form of it. It should be its.

Nice to see that you are digressing from the issues and making personal attacks instead of replying with genuine points and debate.

 

[katie_tully]

Nice to see that you are digressing from the issues and making personal attacks instead of replying with genuine points and debate.

Ah. Unlike yourself.

 

[Mevelyn2551]

Eh, HSC Economics is neither any level of 'acquaintance' nor knowledge of the subject.

I see that you didn't try and dispute it. And you dont need to be chief economist of the RBA to know that tax cuts cause inflation.

 

[Mevelyn2551]

Ah. Unlike yourself.

touche. I deserved that. But you've got to appreciate the irony of the fact that technically you just made a personal attack on me for making a personal attack on him for making a personal attack on me.

 

[katie_tully]

No, not really. Mine wasn't a personal attack. If it were, trust me you'd know. I was merely pointing it out for you.

 

[Generator]

While were getting anal on spelling - you do know that it's isnt a word. THere is no possesive form of it. It should be its.

Contraction (grammar).

 

[Mevelyn2551]

I'm not going to get involved in a political argument by responding to any of that. All I will say is that you clearly have no idea, and the fact that there are so many people like you who will be voting in a couple weeks time is somewhat disturbing.

Lets see if I get this. You make points... I counter them... you refuse to rebut, then say I have no idea. You then question the mental faculty of everyone who plans to vote Labor. I see. What a valid point. What is the point of free speech when the fact that thee are people who disagree with you is "disturbing"?

 

[Fish Sauce]

My apologies but I had an exam earlier today and I really wasnt paying that much attention to spelling. I just wanted to write and get it out. Not to mention that it was 11:30 at night and I was typing at full speed.

While were getting anal on spelling - you do know that it's isnt a word. THere is no possesive form of it. It should be its.

Nice to see that you are digressing from the issues and making personal attacks instead of replying with genuine points and debate.

Mate, the way he used "it's" is correct. It means "it is". It isn't possessive.

I miss voting by 5 days, but if I didn't I would vote Liberal for the reasons already said in this thread. Also, considering the way Labor have handled their party in the past few years, I really don't trust them to run an entire country (especially one with me in it).

 

[Mevelyn2551]

Contraction (grammar).

My ego hurts.

Can we get back to the point?

 

[spiny norman]

- Nuclear Power needs to be one the table when looking at Australia's energy infrastructure plan for this century.

It should be, but so should solar and wind etc, which have been pretty well ignored for the past twelve years.

- Kyoto is imho nothing but a rhetorical tool for governments to get elected, we need real action on this issue and as the coalition either comes to realise they have to due to public sentiment or that the scientific consensus is there, I believe they're more likely to put in the practical measures needed.

Annabel Crabb's and Mike Carlton's columns in today's Herald has some interesting quotes from 1997 when the Kyoto Protocol was signed.

From the Prime Minister: "It's an outcome that will protect tens of thousands of Australian jobs and it's also an outcome that will put the world on a firmer path towards controlling greenhouse gases". Further: "We end the year having achieved this...absolutely stunning diplomatic success at the Kyoto conference. That was an extraordinary achievement, that Kyoto summit, an absolutely extraordinary achievement, and it was against all the odds. I mean, what we were able to do at Kyoto was both make a massive contribution to the world environmental effort to cut greenhouse gas emissions but also to protect Australian jobs".

- The old Unfair Dismissal legislation was unfair on small businesses and based on anecdotal evidence I've received, with greater security in knowing they can fire someone they take on incase they become unsuitable, small business feels safer to employ someone for the long term.

Firstly, 99 employees is not a small business. Secondly, come now, they serve the purpose to protect people from being unfairly dismissed. Perhaps an argument can be made that it should've been easier to sack someone for incompotence, but to outright rid the employee of all rights to an unfair dismissal protection is indefensible. You've heard anecdotal evidence of businesses having greater security, well I've heard quite a bit of anecdotal evidence myself of people being fired for ludicrous reasons - some helped (though still often not helped far enough) by the previous laws, some completely fucked with them gone.

- The Coalition's recently unveiled plan on health (funding for more training places for student gp's etc) was the one favoured by the AMA and seems to be the better one to me.

The Coalition's move towards privatisation of the health system surely has to be seen as a weakness. Dental health's privatised. Psychologists are only covered by Medicare for the first six visits by those who are referred to one. The public health system has gone to the dogs, and while you may want to argue "That's the state government's responsibility", realise that the federal government does now get 82% of your taxes - the rest is split between the state and the local. The federal government has decreased their spending, has decreased the amount of money being given to the local and state governments, and then has the nerve to accuse them of mismanaging their funds.

Labor is ridiculously anti-business and I don't like it at all. The power belongs in the hands of employers, not employees and unions. I have no problem with work choices. I don't trust that a Labor government will not be influenced by unions, and even if they aren't they are plenty anti-business all on their own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=184NTV2CE_c