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are you doing a B arts?scarybunny said:
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why do people think B arts = unemployment?? (2 Viewers)
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atm im leaning on the economics side.fOR3V3RPINKKKK said:
Economics FTW
but, BArts sounds ok..
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Are you kidding? She already said that the supply of law graduates far exceeds the number of jobs available.beentherdunthat said:
A person who was already a LAWYER would not go become a cleaner, you are right. However being a LAW GRADUATE does not make you a lawyer. You just have the degree, you lack the job. Get it?
Anyway, on topic: A BA doesn't have to equal unemployment, there are opportunities which have been outlined already, but if getting a job as soon as you graduate is something which is important to you, it probably isn't the way to go. That's why I didn't do a straight BA: apart from the fact that I wanted to do Education anyway, the idea of going to uni for years and then getting out and still being at Maccas or whatever, waiting for that arty career to present itself, freaks me out. If I hadn't been so keen to do teaching, I would have gone down the nursing path, or psychology, or skipped uni altogether and joined the navy or something.
Also in reply to foram although I'm sure he's been picked apart thoroughly by now: it's not a waste of a good UAI if it's what you want to do. My UAI was like 11 points over what I needed to get into Education/Arts, but I did it anyway. Also, this is just my personal preference but if I ever found myself in Engineering or Accounting or anything like that I might just kill myself for thrills because I'd be so bored, and there are lots of people out there with great marks who feel the same way, so there's no point categorising degrees the way you do.
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I've been serously considering B economics @ unsw. liberal studies never really crossed my mind.fOR3V3RPINKKKK said:
probs coz i have no idea what it is :s
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Haha read the post "The lack of direction was the reason I transferred out of Arts".BackCountrySnow said:
I'm doing a B.Ed (primary) now.
A liberal studies degree involves arts subjects, science and language.
Also,
www.cis.org.au/issue_analysis/IA84/ia84.pdf
At any given time, the total number of graduates in the labour force considerably outnumbers graduates in managerial, professional or associate professional jobs. The latest Education and Work survey recorded more than half a million such people. Most were employed in clerical, sales or service jobs, with some others working as labourers or unemployed.
Together, they make up 21% of all graduates in the workforce.
My law-degree-carrying cleaner was an example.
There have also been studies into the career paths of lawyers. DEST looked at the 95 cohort, and half of them were not lawyers, 11% were in non-legal position (i.e. not using their degree) as of 98. That's a significant number.
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http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=law+job+availability&spell=1
I'm glad you agree
No I didn't get that sorry. So graduating from medicine won't make you a doctor? Is that what you're saying?
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This was my next preference. Me and you coulda been together ;PfOR3V3RPINKKKK said:
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That's exactly what I'm saying. Graduating from an education degree doesn't make me a teacher. Graduating from nursing doesn't make you a nurse, graduating from medicine doesn't make you a doctor, graduating from psychology doesnt make you a psychologist, etc.beentherdunthat said:
You are qualified TO BECOME a lawyer or a doctor or whatever, but you are not actually granted that title of being "a teacher" "a doctor" etc until you have the job. I could graduate and then go get a job waiting tables, and I'd be a waitress, not a teacher.
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Duh we all know probability.S1M0 said:
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Just because an accountant doesn't have a job doesn't mean he should stop calling himself an accountant
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I disagree. You are granted that title when you graduate from your degree.^CoSMic DoRiS^^ said:
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No, you still don't get it. If I was doing medicine, say, and I graduated, but didn't get a job practising medicine, I would not be a doctor. I would be a graduate of Medicine. Your job title is exactly that. It describes what you do at work, not what your degree qualifies you to do. An accounting graduate who couldn't find a job and worked as a keyboard teacher instead to make money is not an accountant. An accounting graduate who had an accounting job, lost it and is between accounting jobs could still call himself an accountant. An accounting graduate who had an accounting job, lost it and went to work as an escort is not an accountant, he's an escort.beentherdunthat said:
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No, read my post above.beentherdunthat said:
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A graduate of medicine is a doctor.^CoSMic DoRiS^^ said:
An accounting graduate is an accountant.
Until he chooses to be employed as something else at a permanent position, then he remains what he worked all those damn years for {and even then he is still qualified as an accountant, doctor etc}. HE Has the skills and the knowledge that qualify him to be what he is.
Based on your previous posts you struggled with the basic premise that a degree doesn't neccessarily guarantee a job with the career pathway that the degree would have opened.beentherdunthat said:
Hypothetically, if he had a job previously and lost it you might label him an accountant. Not if he's say, an accounting graduate unable to find a job.beentherdunthat said:
So hypothetically i could do, for argument's sake, an engineering degree, MBBS and a law degree, and, due to a severe lack of jobs in those sectors, i am forced to go work as a cleaner. In that case, i am to be recognised as an engineer, surgeon and a lawyer, despite the fact that my occupation is a cleaner?beentherdunthat said:
Have a long hard think about the logicality of your posts.
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Just because you have the skills and knowledge does not mean you are entitled to be known "as" something. An accounting graduate is an accounting graduate, why is that so hard to understand? I have the skills and knowledge to teach keyboard to 5 year olds, it doesn't make me a keyboard teacher! Because I don't work as one! Furthermore, just because it took you years to get a qualification, which is basically an acknowledgement that you completed enough of the right courses to be considered skilled enough to enter a certain profession, this does not mean that you ARE the thing which your degree leads to until you actually land the job. For example - what's an Arts graduate, then? They could go do anything with their degree. An arts graduate is not an artist. See? Just like, a medicine graduate is not a doctor YET. They have to go and get a job first.beentherdunthat said: