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Looks pretty confusing. Kadima (Livni) won, but the conservative parties might form a coalition led by the batshit insane Netanyahu. If the latter happened I'd imagine that he'd pursue a much more, er, vigorous and active campaign against Hamas rocket fire than the previous government did. That would be very good or very bad depending on which side you stand, but for the sake of peace in that region I think it's quite clear that it would be bad.

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JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israel's two largest parties each claimed a mandate Wednesday after elections that saw a surprise first-place finish by the ruling Kadima party and dramatic gains by its conservative rivals, according to unofficial returns.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni's failure to assemble a ruling coalition for Kadima last year triggered Tuesday's elections. But she told supporters after the vote that the narrow edge Kadima appears to have held over the conservative Likud shows her party is "the common denominator of Israeli society."

Livni called on Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu "to respect the choice of Israel's citizens ... and to join a unity government, led by us, that will be based on the large parties in Israel, left and right."

But Netanyahu said the showing by Likud -- which appears to have more than doubled the number of seats it holds in the Knesset, Israel's parliament -- show voters have rejected Kadima's leadership, and he said conservative parties could form a majority when the results are in.

"With God's help, I shall head the coming government," he said. "I am sure that I can manage to put together a good, broad-based and stable government that will be able to deal with the security crisis and the economic crisis."

Unofficial returns gave Kadima a narrow lead over Likud, with the right-wing Yisrael Beytenu in third place and Labor -- Israel's founding party and Kadima's current coalition partner -- in fourth.

"It's a typical Israeli election in that you might have two winners," Israeli political analyst Chemi Shalev told CNN. "The clear-cut winner, in the sense that she did much better than any expectations, is Tzipi Livni and Kadima. But we have to judge elections by the bottom line, and if it turns out that in the Benjamin Netanyahu will be the the prime minister, he will be judged to have been the winner."

The campaign was dominated by the recent war with Palestinian militants in Gaza, which was popular within Israel despite widespread international condemnation. Netanyahu was a harsh critic of Kadima founder Ariel Sharon's 2005 withdrawal of Israeli troops and settlers from Gaza, and his supporters say he has been proven right.

Livni took control of Kadima in September, when Prime Minister Ehud Olmert stepped down as the party leader amid several corruption investigations. Her campaign touted her role in the Gaza campaign and tough statements about not allowing Hamas to decide Israel's fate.

Netanyahu served as prime minister from 1996 to 1999. He has supported the expansion of Israeli settlements on the West Bank and has opposed further territorial concessions in order to end the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

According to Israeli media, with all precincts reporting and more than 99 percent of the vote counted, Kadima was on track to win 28 seats in the 120-member Knesset, the same as it currently holds. Likud was forecast to win 27 -- a dramatic jump from its current 12.

Shalev suggested a Kadima-Likud-Labor coalition is possible -- but it was not clear who would lead it.

Yisrael Beytenu was on track to win 15 seats, up from 11 currently, while Labor appeared to have slid from 18 seats to 13. A fourth-place finish would be an unprecedentedly weak showing for Labor, now led by Defense Minister and former Prime Minister Ehud Barak.

The results still need to be certified by the Israeli central election committee.

Yisrael Beytenu is led by Avigdor Lieberman, a polarizing figure whose party has been accused of racism against Palestinians and Arab citizens of Israel. But he said early Wednesday that his party "is not only the key to the next coalition, it will also set the agenda for the next government."

And Likud member Reuven Rivlin, a former Knesset speaker, said voters decided "to change the ideas of the former government."

"We have to continue the negotiations with the Palestinians, but under mutuality and under the idea that it is a give and take -- that after the agreement, we will find ourselves at peace," Rivlin said.
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Israelis have become increasingly skeptical of unilateral withdrawal from Palestinian-controlled territories. After the 2005 withdrawal from Gaza, the Palestinian militant group Hamas gained control of Gaza and intensified rocket attacks on Israel, prompting the three-week conflict that ended in mid-January.

Despite rain and strong wind, Israel's central election commission reported a turnout of about 65 percent Tuesday -- about 2 percentage points higher than the country's last elections, in 2006. Polls closed at 10 p.m. (3 p.m. ET).
Kadima, Likud claim mandate to govern - CNN.com

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Israel has the right to defend itself from rocket attacks.
 

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wrong thread jb_nc. in this thread, we talk SRSLY about Israeli politics k?
Israel has a serious right to defend her territories from unsolicited murderous rocket attacks by Hamas extremists hell-bent on destroy the state of Israel.
 

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What kind of retard would actually vote for Israel Beiteinu? Srsly.
 

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Yeah, i think he is a supporter of the 'transfer' scenario. Avigdor Lieberman is just an angry Russian. I was hoping Labour would have been the 3rd highest party voted for.
 

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Was it the Likud party that was going around calling the Arab population within Israel the "threat for within!"?
 

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"With God's help, I shall head the coming government," he said

He's probably tripping on meth. Or crazy.
Pretty disappointing that these nutters won so many seats. I thought Jews were supposed to have the highest average IQ (as a race)? Giving these guys power is a pretty shitty move, the conflict would escalate beyond fucking belief, you'd think that the voters would realise that :spzz:
 
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Inflammatory Jew media in Israel probably makes these Jews a little angrier than the average Jew.

Confession time: I am part Jew.

*suicides*
 

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I have noticed you have been much less provocative and extreme in your beliefs Neb. Did Iron give you a hiding?
 

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I support a Likud-led coalition that will work to preserve the Jewish State of Israel and not jeopordise Israel's security in dangerous disengagements or concessions to a government who is incapable of running a nation and preventing terrorism.

I want peace.

But while we wait for a "true peace" with a real Arab peace partner the Arabs in Gaza and Judea and Samaria can have self rule (police force, economic development, religious freedom, etc..) but the Israeli army will be the only army to protect the area and stop terrorism and terroists from operating.
 

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You see Jared, the thing is, Likud doesn't want to preserve a Jewish state. It wants to expand the Jewish state into all of the West Bank excepting a tiny pocket of East Jerusalem. You won't acheive peace by patronising the Palestinians and making no concessions.

Unless you poison every Palestinian with ear poison. kekekeke.
 

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You see Jared, the thing is, Likud doesn't want to preserve a Jewish state. It wants to expand the Jewish state into all of the West Bank excepting a tiny pocket of East Jerusalem. You won't acheive peace by patronising the Palestinians and making no concessions.
I actually 100% agree with you here. Srsly Nebs, did you have a fall or something?
 

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Quote me if you think Israel has a right to defend itself from rocket attacks!! No draft dodging bitches though (JaredR!! lol)
 

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jbnc I'll meet you out the front of the chicken shop :mad:

I say redraw borders so that all the Arab towns in the north become part of 'Palestine' and Israel can have the major settlements in Judea and Samaria.

I wonder if the Arabs of Israel would like that - doubt it.

Nebs, unfortunately it's people like yourself and James that make me not believe in the two state solution which is pushing me further and further right...
 
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