Drug tests for dole recipients (2 Viewers)

[katie tully]

Not all dole recipients are druggies, but all druggies are dole recipients. Har

 

[katie tully]

Not having a good night with the typing and coherent thought tonight

 

[Hagaren]

I've been saying this for years.

 

[jb_nc]

More like, there needs to be a sex maximum amount of time you can be on the dole AND the reporting procedures for job seekers need to be more stringent.

As far as I know, all you have to do is say you've applied for job x,y,z but you didn't get the job.

wasnt howard in power for 13 years

didnt he make it next to impossible to bludge on the dole

are you ideologically more right than hitler

 

[scarybunny]

You have one year on the dole in which to find a job.

If you don't have a job after one year, the state murders you and sells your meat to Japan.

 

[jb_nc]

Here is my favourite song from the hit UK TV-series, "Blackpool", YouTube - Blackpool, David Morrissey, David Tennant - "Gambler"

 

[mrcalkin]

Why dont we build a place where people get shelter and 3 meals a day. No more rent assisstance, unemployment benefit, etc. We could save billions per year.

 

[jb_nc]

Why dont we build a place where people get shelter and 3 meals a day. No more rent assisstance, unemployment benefit, etc. We could save billions per year.

It could be like a big camp. A camp with a mass concentration of people.

 

[Bacilli]

Yah, good idea. Y we're at it y not grow and supply free drugs to the inmates with the money saved?
There's a reason y both of us are -rep - we're alwayz right!

 

[Bacilli]

It's a shit idea from a shit TS.
Delete the thread

 

[Kwayera]

Yah, good idea. Y we're at it y not grow and supply free drugs to the inmates with the money saved?
There's a reason y both of us are -rep - we're alwayz right!

"Always".

It's a shit idea from a shit TS.
Delete the thread

No.

 

[Ben Netanyahu]

if i had have made this thread the you'd have moved it to NS so fast

stop being such a shitty and hypocritical mod plx

 

[incentivation]

The welfare system is far too lenient.

In reality though, what choice do we have?

There is only a small percentage of the population who rely solely on social security for subsistence. Without it, we are condemning society to a world of far greater problems.

 

[Graney]

What? You're blowing this up to be something it's not. The idea is that if you're in receipt of the dole you should be honestly and sincerely:
(a) looking for work; and
(b) attempting to get your shit together in general.

Centrelink already requests bank statements and evidence of your job searching activities as a condition of the allowance, why is this a bridge too far?

Proposition a) Welfare recipients have not got their shit together
Proposition b) Welfare recipients use drugs

You're asking us to agree with the assumption, with no evidence, proposition b causes proposition a. Which may be the case in some circumstances, but would be far from the absolute truth, routine drug testing and discrimination on the unemployed would punish many people with casual, non-problematic drug habits.

The basis on which unemployment benefits are assessed, same as your job performance, should be done purely on the basis of performance. There are extensive demands and monitoring in place already, requirements to apply for ten jobs a fortnight, attend all interviews, keep an extensive dole diary, accept any job offer etc...

If people don't search for work because of drug use, absolutely they should not receive welfare, however the outcomes, and not the drug use, should be the concern.

 

[banco55]

The welfare system is far too lenient.

In reality though, what choice do we have?

There is only a small percentage of the population who rely solely on social security for subsistence. Without it, we are condemning society to a world of far greater problems.

1 in 6 rely working age people below retirement age rely on welfare payments.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=2556

 

[Kwayera]

if i had have made this thread the you'd have moved it to NS so fast

stop being such a shitty and hypocritical mod plx

Then the lesson to you would be to stop making stupid threads.

 

[Graney]

1 in 6 rely working age people below retirement age rely on welfare payments.

Australia's welfare system is not mean but different and fairer - On Line Opinion - 17/9/2004

Most of them would be on the DSP (a system with some problems), rather than unemployment though?

 

[banco55]

Most of them would be on the DSP (a system with some problems), rather than unemployment though?

I think the DSP has more then some problems. Even if you think that most people on the DSP have a genuine disability that presents then from working and most unemployed people are genuinely trying to find a job the number of people dependent on the taxpayer is scary.

With the aging population that number is going to come down one way or the other as it simply won't be sustainable to have 3 workers for every person being supported by the Government. My guess is the DSP will get tougher to get, the single parents will get kicked off the pension and the savings from that will be used to fund the increasing age pensions bill.

 

[Sir-BigBoyJames]

its the muslims

 

[Graney]

Fuck the age pension. Get a job grandad. It's a disincentive to save and self-fund your retirement.

Unfortunately seniors are an organised and powerful voting group.