Maths complex number help (2 Viewers)

Run hard@thehsc · Nov 21, 2021

How do you do question 14?

notme123 · Nov 21, 2021

Run hard@thehsc said:
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How do you do question 14?

you could turn this into a quadratic u^2 + Au + B where the constants are >0, and since the quadratic is positive definite (meaning its always above the x axis) that means it has no real roots. if x^2 has no real roots, neither can x.

Drongoski · Nov 21, 2021

Then P(x) will always be positive, i.e. cannot become zero. That means it cannot have real roots. That is you cannot find a real number "a" say, such that P(a) = 0.

To expand:
x^4 >= 0; Ax^2 >= 0; B > 0 ==> P(x) > 0
So the curve of y = P(x) cannot cross the x-axis; so no real roots !!!!!

Run hard@thehsc · Nov 21, 2021

@notme123 fair - are there other methods?

notme123 · Nov 21, 2021

Run hard@thehsc said:
@notme123 fair - are there other methods?

not on the top of my head rn

CM_Tutor · Nov 21, 2021

notme123 said:
you could turn this into a quadratic u^2 + Au + B where the constants are >0, and since the quadratic is positive definite (meaning its always above the x axis) that means it has no real roots. if x^2 has no real roots, neither can x.

Why is the quadratic positive definite?

notme123 · Nov 21, 2021

CM_Tutor said:
Why is the quadratic positive definite?

oh youre right thats not for certain lol.

notme123 · Nov 21, 2021

Run hard@thehsc said:
@notme123 fair - are there other methods?

oh i thought of another method. do the substitution as before where the roots are for x^2. now if you do sum of roots, the sum of the real parts would be -A which is less than 0. so if x^2 is less than 0, x must be not purely real

Trebla · Nov 21, 2021

Note that P'(x)=4x^3+2Ax and P''(x)=12x^2+2A.

P(x) is concave up with a minimum turning point at (0,B). Hence, P(x) > B > 0 so no real roots.

CM_Tutor · Nov 21, 2021

notme123 said:
oh i thought of another method. do the substitution as before where the roots are for x^2. now if you do sum of roots, the sum of the real parts would be -A which is less than 0. so if x^2 is less than 0, x must be not purely real

This requires the conjugate root theorem.

The result can be established without it, by proving that $x^2 < 0$ . This can be done by noting that

$x^2 = \cfrac{-A \pm \sqrt{\Delta}}{2} \qquad \text{where} \qquad \Delta = A^2 - 4B$

and that

$A,\ B \in \mathbb{R}^+\ \implies\ \Delta = A^2 - 4B < A^2\ \text{as}\ 4B > 0\ \implies\ \Delta < 0\ \text{or}\ 0 < \sqrt{\Delta} < A\ \text{as}\ A > 0$

$\text{If}\ \Delta < 0\ \text{then}\ x^2 \in \mathbb{C}\setminus\mathbb{R}\ \implies\ x \in \mathbb{C} \setminus \mathbb{R}$

$\text{If}\ 0 < \sqrt{\Delta} < A\ \text{then}\ x^2 = \cfrac{-A \pm \sqrt{\Delta}}{2}\ \implies\ -A < x^2 < 0\ \implies\ x \in \mathbb{C} \setminus \mathbb{R}$

Life'sHard · Nov 21, 2021

CM_Tutor said:
This requires the conjugate root theorem.

The result can be established without it, by proving that $x^2 < 0$ . This can be done by noting that

$x^2 = \cfrac{-A \pm \sqrt{\Delta}}{2} \qquad \text{where} \qquad \Delta = A^2 - 4B$

and that

$A,\ B \in \mathbb{R}^+\ \implies\ \Delta = A^2 - 4B < A^2\ \text{as}\ 4B > 0\ \implies\ \Delta < 0\ \text{or}\ 0 < \sqrt{\Delta} < A\ \text{as}\ A > 0$

$\text{If}\ \Delta < 0\ \text{then}\ x^2 \in \mathbb{C}\setminus\mathbb{R}\ \implies\ x \in \mathbb{C} \setminus \mathbb{R}$

$\text{If}\ 0 < \sqrt{\Delta} < A\ \text{then}\ x^2 = \cfrac{-A \pm \sqrt{\Delta}}{2}\ \implies\ -A < x^2 < 0\ \implies\ x \in \mathbb{C} \setminus \mathbb{R}$

Is latex broken? Or is it just me?

CM_Tutor · Nov 21, 2021

Life'sHard said:
Is latex broken? Or is it just me?

I've wondered the same... maybe @Trebla can explain?

Trebla · Nov 21, 2021

Yeah, looks like it is broken at the moment

5uckerberg · Nov 21, 2021

b is conjugate root theorem.

c is just the sum of 2 roots put together giving us

$A=c^{2}+d^{2}$ and $B=c^{2}d^{2}$ , $c^{4}+d^{4}=(c^{2}+d^{2})^{2}-2c^{2}d^{2}$ effectively just giving us $A^{2}-2B$

jimmysmith560 · Nov 22, 2021

It seems that LaTeX is currently experiencing some sort of issue that is preventing users from seeing particular input.

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icon, then clicking on "Open image in new tab" (for Google Chrome and Edge, or the equivalent option on other browsers).

The following message may appear:

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