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yeah zeek i know, wasnt suggesting they bought all the land that is now israel, just setting up the precedent for jewish land titles in the current state as is. with the wall thing tho, i dont quite get your point. are you saying that there is a greater threat from the countries surrounding...

no resources because the government in power that presides over the palestinians, then fatah, now hamas, is more intersted in pursuing this dream of terrorism and death than sending their kids to school or building up the infrastructure of the areas they live in. small wonder then, that...

uuuh, s1m0, they didnt buy the land from turkey. they bought it directly from the people who were living on it pre-ww1, because after ww1 the british were in control of it. then, after the balfour declaration had gone unheeded for a while, they finally decided to honour their word and declare...

the so called worthless land pretty much sums up israel when it was under the control of the arabic nations, namely the ottomans, and the brittish too. only since the alliyot (jewish immigration) has the land begun to flourish. sides which, what natural resources are you looking for, there isnt...

why exactly shouldnt israel have been created? the land was bought from those who owned it, or given by those who controlled it. and it was peaceful until the 48 war of independance was started by the arabic nations around it... where is the justification for that claim s1m0?

zeek, they're fighting for peace, not more land. in the past, the peace offers on behalf of the israeli government to the palestinian one have been land. why give away what you're fighting for, doesnt make much sense now does it?

i gues he's referring to the fact that several leaders in the middle eastern world say one thing in english to the world, and then turn around and say something completely diferent to their people in arabic. i could be wrong there though...

australia is a capatalist christian country as well, should we be stewing rather than being in east timor?

fine, but if the poor dont want to vote, then they wont ge the treatment they deserve. the people get the government they deserve for better or worse. if you have a problem with the government, vote! its really not that hard. notice how its compulsory to vote in australia, but we still have the...

sure, they may have done something, but you really dont know? plus, you cant tell me that nanjing were militia, nor the jews/gypsys/homosexuals of europe. you're right though, we really took a tangent there huh? in iraq, there also was no freedom of speech, no human rights, and constant...

the japanese treated theirs a whole lot worse. so did the germans. in fact, the japanese and the germans treated everyone a whole lot worse than anyone. you show me any instances americans went through a town gang raping, pillaging, torturing, and then mutilating the female bodies there? show me...

"I hate to tell you this, but the civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't committing war crimes." it could be argued, but i wont convince you. but think about it this way. your kids, or theirs? i know my choice. it really was the only way to effectively consolidate america's safety, and...

that's meant to be "show me..." sorry, typing issues.

who me a non militaristic war on anything. and if he disagrees with it, or more importantly, his aides and advisors disagree with it, then that isnt a refusal to acknowledge, its a considered decision about how to make the most effective effort possible.

okay, i can see were you're coming from. peral harbour was not the beginning of the war, just america's entry into it. japan had already been part of the war since 1940 when they occupied vietnam, which was a french territory at the time, and joined germany and italy's axis. pearl harbour was...

in the pursuit of survival generator, not just victory. there is much i would approve, and endure for my survival, and my families. plus, i make no qualms with assessment, nor holding people to justice, indeed, i would be rather hypocritic were i to disagree with that. and you are perfectly...

i love how even after the all the war crimes comitted, and the atrocities that have been shown, people still try and condemn the actions. the fact of the matter is, evil acts are committed during war. but the japanese and the germans began it. the american acts finshed it. the german and...

do try. really. do.

there will be peace yeah, just not until the crazy people either give up, or are made to give up. iwonder which is more likely.

no, its right wing political stance does. "Fascism is a radical political ideology that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism." iraq and iran pretty much embody that. so how arent they fascist...