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2007 State Election - Labor or the Coalition/Iemma or Debnam? (2 Viewers)

2007 State Election - Labor or the Coalition?

  • Labor

    Votes: 125 46.5%
  • Coalition

    Votes: 77 28.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 30 11.2%
  • Still Undecided

    Votes: 20 7.4%
  • Apathetic

    Votes: 17 6.3%

  • Total voters
    269
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I have a feeling that the opinion poll to be released next week along with Liberal internal party polling will reveal what most realistic people seem to be assuming; that the election loss will be devastating for the Coalition, and far worse than one would expect when faced with a tired, old government.

My suspicions are aroused by a number of factors (including party rumblings) and the complete lack of confidence displayed by both the Opposition Leader and Deputy. I refer to the opening phrase of Peter Debnam's Blog for Friday 9th:

As the election approaches, Morris Iemma and Labor are becoming increasingly cocky by the day. Just imagine what Labor will be like if they win this election – and even worse win easily.
Debnam is not just hinting at an election victory to the ALP, but to one that will embarrass the Liberal Party to the core. Sure, it's fairly unfounded inductive reasoning, but I'd put my money on a result of that nature, as oppose to one that includes a swing to the Coalition.
 

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Newspoll:

56/44 TPP in Labor's favour. (was 59/41)
 

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I think that Debnam has just failed to capture the electorate. The policies they have released create an alternative vision and a viable one at that. However, that really counts for nothing when the person provided with the responsibility of voicing those policies is not connecting with the electors.

But it does baffle me that the NSW government is set to win government with an unchanged or increased majority, and the Federal Government is on the verge of defeat. Seems a touch strange to me.

It was only three years ago that commentators were talking about the future, or lack thereof, for the Labor Party; how the tables have turned. When the Libs lose NSW and possibly the Federal Election later this year, it will be Labor wall to wall. The organisation needs to realise that something is terribly wrong..
 

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Labor are massive favourites to win the state election. Centrebet is offering odds of $1.10 for a Labor win and $6 for a Coalition win.
 

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/state-el...der-with-debnam/2007/03/13/1173548118324.html

I don't see why everyone's throwing their arms in the air over this, given that everyone who's not in Vaucluse is voting for their local candidate and not Peter Debnam. :/

Also interesting is that the Greens' preference deal just confirms that they really don't give a toss about the environment, because if they did they'd be preferencing water recycling over desalination.
 
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frog12986 said:
I think that Debnam has just failed to capture the electorate. The policies they have released create an alternative vision and a viable one at that. However, that really counts for nothing when the person provided with the responsibility of voicing those policies is not connecting with the electors.

But it does baffle me that the NSW government is set to win government with an unchanged or increased majority, and the Federal Government is on the verge of defeat. Seems a touch strange to me.

It was only three years ago that commentators were talking about the future, or lack thereof, for the Labor Party; how the tables have turned. When the Libs lose NSW and possibly the Federal Election later this year, it will be Labor wall to wall. The organisation needs to realise that something is terribly wrong..
I think it's 31 consecutive losses for state libs after March 24th.
...the reasons to abolish the states are ever increasing :D

waf, the whole Labor campaign is just personal attacks at Peter Debnam, that's not hard to see. It helps keep the discussion away from their record.
 

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Debnams problem is his complete lack of policies. Saying you will do the opposite of what Morris Iemma is doing is not a policy, it's complete incompetancy. The liberal party at both levels of goverment is an absolute joke at the moment. Debnam has no idea, and doesn't look like he ever did and with Howard's mess-ups lately it looks as if Labour might make it into both quite comfortably.

Anyone who votes for a party led by Debnam or an equivilent (it could be the same for labour if they had a bumbling fool as their leader) is not voting based on policy but a pure party favouring basis.
 

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Debnam has said he will recycle water, put a hiring freeze on the bureaucratic sector and use this money to employ more police, nurses and teachers.

What has Iemma's policy been? "We're pretty shit, but at least we're trying"?
 

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j_davo24 said:
Debnams problem is his complete lack of policies. Saying you will do the opposite of what Morris Iemma is doing is not a policy, it's complete incompetancy. The liberal party at both levels of goverment is an absolute joke at the moment. Debnam has no idea, and doesn't look like he ever did and with Howard's mess-ups lately it looks as if Labour might make it into both quite comfortably.

Anyone who votes for a party led by Debnam or an equivilent (it could be the same for labour if they had a bumbling fool as their leader) is not voting based on policy but a pure party favouring basis.
In what world have you been living?

If anything, the Coalition has policies that a more far-reaching in terms of the change they generate and the overall scope of that change:
- Water recycling
- Reforming the public sector - without sackings (including the redirection of resources - which despite what the ALP says, is away from a hugely inflated bureaucracy)
- Land Payroll tax initiatives
- Public transport initiatives (particularly in relation to the improvement and expansion of rail services)
- 1700 new police (300 HWP, 200 Detectives), twenty additional 24/7 police stations (including Five Dock in my electorate)
- Health system investment and improvement of employee
retention
- Juvenile Justice
...The list goes on... in fact its at www.peterdebnam.com.au, or in the latest flyer near you..

Have you followed the campaign at all? Lack of policies?

It has been Labor who has been fairly cumbersome in relation to policy development, and have really taken little or no risk to minimise the already futile predicament that they have created over the last 12 years. Morris Iemma cannot even take it upon himself to promote the ALP and his senior ministers in fear of being crucified. He's put on this facade of being 'the new kid on the block' which although effective, is a complete and utter distortion of his involvment over the last 10 years.

Obviously an Opposition must always take the greater amount of risk into an election, however the ALP has barely uttered the word change. It's the same old spin, from the same old spin doctors. And although Debnam repeats it often, it is an extremely valid point; the only way anything will change following this election, is through a change of government.
 

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ihavenothing said:
Sounds like you must be paid by the Liberal Party
Heh, at least it isnt coming out of the state treasury like some other noteworthy material ..
 

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I'd vote green -is everyone voting liberal happy to see 10 year old kids sent to jail?
 

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zinc said:
I'd vote green -is everyone voting liberal happy to see 10 year old kids sent to jail?

If you understood how the Criminal Justice System operates in Australia, you would realise that custodial sentencing constitutes only 1-5% of punishment totals.

Instead, let's vote for an 'enviromental party' that is avidly opposed to the Desalination Plant and the refusal of the government to filter the Lane Cove Tunnel, yet will instruct voters to give preferences to the party that they are criticising. Seems like they're resting on their laurels for political gain to me; Green party I think not, more the socialist arm of the ALP.
 
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zinc said:
I'd vote green -is everyone voting liberal happy to see 10 year old kids sent to jail?
I'm happy to see 10 year olds being sent to juvenile detention if the only other option is allow them to continue to go around destroying property, terrorising innocent people etc.
 

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zinc said:
I'd vote green -is everyone voting liberal happy to see 10 year old kids sent to jail?
Not, 10 year olds. 17 year olds plus.
 

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Has anyones general perception been from talking to people that theres going to be one heck of a backlash against the ALP that these polls aren't capturing?

Debnam may not make it into the 50% region on votes for him, but he sure as heck might on all the votes against Iemma.
 
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