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A Response to The Myth that Islam Does Not Promote Paedophilia
By Ba’al Shem Tov​


"Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" Qur’an 2:225

"Lying is permissible when there is a legitimate desired end. And the legitimate desired end may be a personal one." Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746)

It is a common practice today for those of Islamic faith to deny the truth. Some may argue that actions confirming this are an accident or the work of a minority, however the issue lies deeper than that. The issue, put simply, is that Muslims believe it is permissible to lie. Yes, no fiction here. If a Muslim lies with the so-called ‘rightful intentions’ in their heart Allah will not find them accountable[1]. Similarly, Muslims are allowed to lie in order to protect themselves[2]. Lastly, Sharia law allows Muslims to lie in order to gain a legitimate desire, even when the aim is to achieve ones own end.[3]

As is evident by the intentional gross misrepresentation of established facts, the Muslims in propagating such ideas as ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ and that Muhammad in fact did not practice paedophilia, demonstrates an underlying intention to deceive the ‘non-believers’. A deliberate example of this is evident in the article this response rebuts – “Different sources state she was around the age of puberty, others that she was as young as 11 or 12 years old at the age of consumation of their marriage” the author states, deliberately intending to mislead the audience[4]. The general consensus among the Hadith’s is that the Prophet Muhammad’s child wife Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of 6 or to a lesser belief, 7. Pursuant of that, the prophet consummated his marriage with his child bride at the age of 9 through the act of sexual intercourse.
Sahih Bukhari Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).[5]


Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.[6]
In an attempt to discredit the truth when presented they take another false, and slanderous attack. In typical Islamic fashion they attempt to again deceive by claiming the truth of their Hadith writings as Zionist Propaganda, constructed to smear the religion of Islam and the prophet Muhammad.[7] Such an attack attempts to discredit the messenger of truth and attack the state of Israel, unjustly and irrelevantly. Whenever an exposé or open and justified criticism of Islam comes to light, the Islamic community cries “Jew” even though that is rarely the case.[8]


Now we come to the question, why should criticisms of Islam be beyond reproach in our days of political correctness? Why must they continually respond aggressively, denying their beliefs and incorporating lies? Robert Spencer in his book “The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the world’s most intolerant religion” puts the issue into perspective highlighting the Danish Cartoon controversy of 2006:

And it may yet turn out that as the West continues to pay homage to its idols of tolerance, multiculturalism, and pluralism, it will give up those hard-won freedoms voluntarily. Freedom of speech encompasses precisely the freedom to annoy, to ridicule, and to offend. If it doesn't, it is hollow: inoffensive speech doesn't need the protection of a constitutional amendment. The instant that any person or ideology is considered off-limits for critical examination and even ridicule, freedom of speech has been replaced by an ideological straitjacket. Westerners seem to grasp this easily when it comes to affronts to Christianity, even when they are as sharp-edged and offensive as Andres Serrano's Piss Christ or Chris Ofili's dung- and pornography-encrusted Holy Virgin Mary. But the same clarity of thought doesn't seem to carry over to an Islamic context.[9]
But calls from Muslims to go farther and "punish those responsible," as the Arab interior ministers demanded, or to treat the cartoons as a human rights violation, as a Belgian imam demanded, continued. Even the European Union castigated the Danes for mishandling the controversy, apparently oblivious to the fact that to place Muhammad and Islam beyond criticism and even beyond lampooning would be just as dangerous for a free society as the idea that the "Beloved Leader" of North Korea or dialectical materialism is above criticism. Indeed, it would be death for a free society.[10]
What do you think the result of this democratic expression of the right of freedom of speech? As a result of international cartoon riots, at least 139 people were killed and 823 were injured.[11]

The first hand actions of fundamental (used in the original sense, not extremism) Muslims today and in the past demonstrates the religions intolerance to any herald other than their own agenda. This discredits them, rightfully so, and exposes the lies behind the banner of Islam being the ‘religion of peace’ or the farfetched construct that ‘Islam means peace’[12].

So in conclusion, the evidence subscribed to by Islamic scholars and Muslims worldwide as presented above corroborates with the claim that the Islamic prophet Muhammad was a paedophile. The fallacious and defamatory rebuttal by author Sam Habib acts merely as a distraction from truth, a tool utilized by Muslims since the dawn of Islam as Muhammad progressed from Mecca where he subtly organized his religion to be contrasted by the violence characterized by the spread in Medina.



1.Qur’an 2:225
2.Sura 40:28
3.Bukhari 52:271 - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.
4.http://community.boredofstudies.org/495/light-offbeat-news/155402/lie-islam-promotes-paedophilia.html
5.Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html
6.Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 237:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.236
7.The smear first began spreading in online forums as a way of slandering muslim people defending the Palestinian plight against the illegal and unjust occupation by Israel.” http://community.boredofstudies.org/495/light-offbeat-news/155402/lie-islam-promotes-paedophilia.html
8.An example is the constant criticism of the Author Robert Spencer. Spencer is not of Judaic heritage or beliefs yet Imanns and Muslim criticisms of his work attack him calling him a ‘Zionist’ and a ‘Jew’.
9.The Truth About Muhammad – Founder of the Worlds Most Intolerant Religion, Robert Spencer. P.13
10.The Truth About Muhammad – Founder of the Worlds Most Intolerant Religion, Robert Spencer. P.14
11."Cartoon Body Count," http://www.cartoonbodycount.com as citied in The Truth About Muhammad – Founder of the Worlds Most Intolerant Religion, Robert Spencer.
12.On that topic, another false propagation of the Islamic community as mentioned above is the idea that ‘Islam means peace’. What is worse about this myth is that it the UK a campaign entitled ‘Islam is peace’ is actively underway in the media. Many Muslims claim that the word Islam is literally derived from the Arabic word for peace. That is, ‘Al-salaam’. However, among Muslims scholars there is no controversy over the fact that the root word for Islam is actually “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” So, a point beyond all logic is why many argue that Islam is peace when the accepted truth is that it is just an issue of fiction. The need to propagate fiction only lends to a discredit of their own reliability and scholastic integrity.
 

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Haven't the muslims on this forum taught you anything?

YOU CAN'T TRANSLATE THE QU'RAN INTO ENGLISH FOOL.
 

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boris said:
Haven't the muslims on this forum taught you anything?

YOU CAN'T TRANSLATE THE QU'RAN INTO ENGLISH FOOL.

Yes you can:


Arabic: Mohammed مشتهى الاطفال جنسي

English: Paedophile

French: Pédophile

Japanese: ピードゥフェイル

Chinese: 戀童癖

:)
 

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lol, im getting sick and tired of posting in these kind of threds, Ba'al..get a life mate, u must have spent 3 hours structuring and researching your statements, all your threads/posts are religious ones based on the sole purpose of degrading islam., do something with your life, u wouldnt constantly post up quotes/facts/statements if your didnt want people to believe in the bullshit you believe. Also stop f""ken replying to sam, leave the poor kid alone.

also sam GTFO this forum mate, i really get sick of your threads, if theres one thing that this forum has taught me is that: everybody is arrogrant/ignorant towards the absolute truth behind Islam.

Ba'al ---- Sam = make peace not war! :angry: :hammer:

peace out!
 

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wrxsti said:
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I love you!<33 :shy:
 

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wrxsti said:


I love you
You love me
We're a happy family
With a great big hug
And a kiss from me to you
Won't you say you love me too?

I love you
You love me
We're best friends
Like friends should be
With a great big hug
And a kiss from me to you
Won't you say you love me too?
Barney is also a paedophile. I mean look at those suggestive lyrics.
 

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Zephyrio said:
Wait, hold on a second. So you've backed up your claims that Mohammed was a paedophile, by imposing a Western pattern of thought on the times in which he lived...? Who knows if she was 12, 11, or 18: you cannot impose a Western construct , such as the age of minority on a man who lived many centuries ago in an entirely different context.

Lol. And not to mention your overtly anti-Islam stance which is somewhat frightening... but is as transparent as the shiniest glass on my dad's car. No amount of scholarly writing which feigns objectivity (and verisimilitude) will ever, ever be enough to cover such an anti-muslim position you've taken. We're not stupid.
Fucking a child is objectively wrong and inherently likely to destroy them mentally. This fact transcends cultures.
 

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withoutaface said:
Fucking a child is objectively wrong and inherently likely to destroy them mentally. This fact transcends cultures.
I would suggest that this is true only to some extent. The concept of 'child' is a vague one and there are always going to be fuzzy borderline cases which offend the moral sensibilities of one culture but not another. Take a case I heard from a friend about her Grandma in India who was married off at age 11 to an older boy (15 perhaps?). Supposedly the tradition in the particular region was not to have sex until the woman was clearly in puberty (most likely menstruation + pubic hair). While this situation lacks some of the typically Western freedoms that we endorse I'm not sure that it is clearly, that is to say (in a sense) objectively, wrong.

Compare this to the case of a 16 year old sleeping with a 2 year old - an action which is unlikely to be permitted in most/all cultures. I think it is fairly easy to rule out this type of case as inappropriate. Nonetheless, even if we can acheive consensus on some cases, I think the general 'fuzziness' of the concept 'child' is always going to make it difficult to claim 'fucking a child is objectively wrong. period.'
 
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You know BST, we'd take your attempts at discussion more seriously if you were impartial in your opinions - but, EVERY SINGLE post of yours is anti-Islam, proving that you're of no use to this forum.

Fuck off, please.
... Dude, this is obviously his troll account which he uses exclusively for that purpose.

Connecting the dots much?
 

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