Ayaan Hirsi Ali (4 Viewers)

[Sheikh_Taj]

Islam has stayed as barbaric and backwards as ever and it will never change. Some people in the West like you, who most real Muslims in Muslim countries would consider Kaffir cannot force it.




"Other religions are barbaric so Islam is fine!1!!!"

I am not kaffir, i havent broken a single so called 'rule', except i pray once a day instead of 5 times. How the fuck does that make me a kaffir? And Lol at being called one, from a person that has never read the quran.
answer the question, do you agree that all religions are so called 'barbaric' like islam, its just that christianity and judaism, through hypocricy have changed, to be more 'appealing' today?

 

[Sheikh_Taj]

Yes, we are against all religions.

You are, katie is, i wanna know if speak, is. he seems to strongly agree how barbaric islam and christianity is, but when it comes to judaism, it is soo peaceful and beautiful, although this anti-gay barbaric nature is common in both.

 

[arcticdbk]

Why do you insist on contradicting yourself.

None brought it up other than yourself.

hahahahaha

ontradickshen, that I did not notice, very odd

My observant eye is no longer observant

 

[Graney]

The quran clearly says Hirsi ali, as an apostate, should be put to death. It's not a radical interpretation.

They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
Qur'an 4:89

But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know. And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist.
Qur'an 9:11-12

Make ye no excuses: ye have rejected Faith after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin.
Qur'an 9:6

Hirsi Ali is a great person, so any religion that would preach that she deserves death is absolutely abhorrent and to be rejected by any decent person.

Also, the quran endorses beating your wife so you can rape her.

Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.
Qur'an 4:34

 

[katie tully]

i am allowed to contradict myself because i am not a muslim and i dont blow things up when i am angry

 

[speak]

I am not kaffir, i havent broken a single so called 'rule', except i pray once a day instead of 5 times. How the fuck does that make me a kaffir? And Lol at being called one, from a person that has never read the quran.
answer the question, do you agree that all religions are so called 'barbaric' like islam, its just that christianity and judaism, through hypocricy have changed, to be more 'appealing' today?

Wasn't replying to you.

You are, katie is, i wanna know if speak, is. he seems to strongly agree how barbaric islam and christianity is, but when it comes to judaism, it is soo peaceful and beautiful, although this anti-gay barbaric nature is common in both.

Yes. When did I ever say Judaism was peaceful and beautiful? Wat?

 

[Sheikh_Taj]

i am allowed to contradict myself because i am not a muslim and i dont blow things up when i am angry

Lol, pwnedd
datz sum funny shit lol.

 

[Kwayera]

answer the question, do you agree that all religions are so called 'barbaric' like islam, its just that christianity and judaism, through hypocricy have changed, to be more 'appealing' today?

Um.. that's a good thing. Are you arguing that Islam is better because it's stayed truer to its violent roots c.f. the other Abrahamic religions?

 

[Sheikh_Taj]

Um.. that's a good thing. Are you arguing that Islam is better because it's stayed truer to its violent roots c.f. the other Abrahamic religions?

Smart thinking, thought someone would pick up on this important point.
Yes, what would you be more inclined to believe in, a religion which has countlessely changed throughout history, or one thats remained rock-solid unchanged throughout 1600 years?
Again, the religion isnt barbaric, terrorists, do infact go to hell, you dont kill and murder in the religion, unless someone attempts to steal your land, and kill your children and women. So in islam HAMAS dont go to hell, but 9/11, london, berlin etc etc really are gunno get it in the ass in hell. Saudi arabia, is a country inhabited by apes who havent evolved, and is frozen in the 1st century (mostly), i dont disagree lol, but that isnt islams fault, just a bunch of retarded cunts.

Look, lets make it simple, note down some points, which makes islam so barbaric and not acceptable in modern life, 2010. (Serious points, in ur opinions please).

 

[Sheikh_Taj]

Um.. that's a good thing. Are you arguing that Islam is better because it's stayed truer to its violent roots c.f. the other Abrahamic religions?

Kwayere, im arguing this is hypocricy at its finest. You have all decended, from either jewish, or christian ancestors? am i wrong? Now, to look at islam as being barbaric today, while your ancestors, were just as 'barbaric', is hypocricy!
It's like having fat cunt parents, who did surgery and are no longer that fat and teasing a child for being a fat cunt.

 

[runoutofsleep]

Kwayere, im arguing this is hypocricy at its finest. You have all decended, from either jewish, or christian ancestors? am i wrong? Now, to look at islam as being barbaric today, while your ancestors, were just as 'barbaric', is hypocricy!
It's like having fat cunt parents, who did surgery and are no longer that fat and teasing a child for being a fat cunt.

haha come on

 

[Rothbard]

runoutofsleep says I'm not Muslim and you say that I am a crazy Muslim therefore when one combines the two it can be said hat I am a normal moderate Muslim

Everything has worked out really well, I am sorted

Respond to the fucking point you idiot: All religions are damaging and cause harm. They're all bad. Saying "NO NO BUT BUT BUT THEY DID IT TOO" just makes our point, you fucking idiot.

Ugh and now you'll respond with some ranting about something else because you refuse to accept that you're wrong.

 

[Rothbard]

That isn't to say that in its current form christianity is far more benign than Islam

Christianity isn't a political system...

 

[Rothbard]

Kwayere, im arguing this is hypocricy at its finest. You have all decended, from either jewish, or christian ancestors? am i wrong? Now, to look at islam as being barbaric today, while your ancestors, were just as 'barbaric', is hypocricy!
It's like having fat cunt parents, who did surgery and are no longer that fat and teasing a child for being a fat cunt.

You cunts haven't fucking moved on... That's the point.

 

[Kwayera]

Look, lets make it simple, note down some points, which makes islam so barbaric and not acceptable in modern life, 2010. (Serious points, in ur opinions please).

- treatment of women
- treatment of gays
- treatment of apostates and atheists
- inferiority complex
- application of sharia law
etc

Obviously this doesn't apply in "progressive Muslims" (lol ).

 

[mirakon]

I see a lot of Muslim women, actually. Who wear the hijab despite not being very religious, it's indisputably accepted as the norm.

As for the oppression of hijab- I haven't made that point actually, but I'm going to have to argue that being taught from birth that that's how women SHOULD BE, is a form of oppression. Whether it be from the husband, mother, father, or the rest of the Muslim community.

Bukhari's hadith is very widely accepted by Muslims everywhere, and it outlines the law regarding hijab (ie, that it is compulsory). Pray tell, if it's not the religion that's making everyone go batshit crazy, what is it?

See that's the main issue. You're interpreting the hadith as a fundamental part of Islam. The simple fact is that it isn't, that's my entire point. By definition Islam is defined by what is in the Qur'an, the hadith being made after the death of prophet mohammed and being faulty as they are not the words of Allah.

And seriously, a LOT of muslim women don't wear hijabs, its simply that you can't identify them as Muslims in the street because they look like normal Australians. You cannot calculate the percentage of muslims wearing hijabs, just by looking around.

 

[Rothbard]

Islam is incompatible with libertarianism

~yeaaaaahhh~

 

[speak]

Kwayere, im arguing this is hypocricy at its finest. You have all decended, from either jewish, or christian ancestors? am i wrong? Now, to look at islam as being barbaric today, while your ancestors, were just as 'barbaric', is hypocricy!

Do you mean parents? Grandparents? People from hundreds of years ago? If anyone in my family believes in barbaric murderous/homophobic/hateful religious things then fuck them.

 

[Lolsmith]

Australia's genocide of the Aborigines

This wasn't genocide first of all. Secondly, Australia didn't even fucking commit genocide because it didn't exist. Genocide occurs when you intentionally go out and try and EXTERMINATE a population of people with only having that in mind. European settlers didn't give a fuck about Aboriginals as long as they didn't get in the way with what they wanted to do, when they did, they responded because they thought they were less than human. They did not purposely go and seek out every single indigenous inhabitant to get rid of them. If they wanted to, they surely fucking would have. Western society has since moved past this. Your piece of shit religion hasn't.

The whole argument about Islam, not any other horseshit religion you cunts try to deflect to, is that it's still in it's retarded 1600 year old traditions. To enforce it's word and political/cultural/personal agendas, like every other religion, it uses the "word of God" as infallible and a sin if you critique it. So beat and rape your wives, burn and murder homosexuals, punish apostates for not being 100% fucking stupid because nah, other people did it hundreds or thousands of years ago and so did we but we're going to continue because those guys did it and you can't judge us because your skin colour is the same.

 

[Yo1anda]

sunnis vs shiites in Iraq is not a religious battle

not at all