Can an Atheist Please Explain to me how the Earth came about? (1 Viewer)

[Eversor]

Kipz speaks the truth, NOT being able to prove something DOESN'T exist is no real problem in logic. It's when you CAN'T prove that something DOES exist that you have a real problem.

 

[boris]

This thread is so dumb.

ATHEISTS DONT KNOW HOW THE EARTH CAME ABOUT; THATS THE POINT OF BEING AN ATHEIST. YOU DON'T KNOW.

To try and make an atheist definitively prove how the Earth was formed is so dumb.

EDIT: this response requires smileys.

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[BoilinOatRunner]

CAN A THEIST EXPLAIN TO ME HOW GOD MADE THE WORLD CAME ABOUT? I'll measure the response to that question before I offer my own to this.

 

[Riet]

Hey can any people from an Abrahamic religion explain how the earth was formed citing any evidence other than genesis?

 

[TacoTerrorist]

<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>Quran and Evolution - Origin of Life:

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Science tells us now that the life on earth originated from water. Even today while we are exploring the galaxies and actively searching for life on other planets, the 1 st question we ask; is there any water on that planet to sustain life, because without water life is impossible. Quran 1400 years ago, before the discovery of science, said the same thing :

"Do not the unbeliever see that the heaven and the earth were joined together, then we set them asunder and we got every living thing out of water. Will they then not believe".
[chapter 21 - verse 30]
First living thing was algae in plant kingdom then animal kingdom started. Quran makes reference to plant kingdom.
[chapter 21 - verse 53]
"(God is the one who) sent down the water from the sky and thereby brought forth pairs of plants, each separate from the other." The verse also points out the sexual reproduction in plant kingdom, much before science discovered it. In 13/3 male and female fruit plants are described.
[chapter 13 - verse 3]

^ Similarly reference is made to the water origin of animals:-

"Allah Almighty (God) created every animal from water. Among living objects there are some which crawl on their bellies, some walk on two legs and some on four".
[chapter 24 - verse 45]


</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Creation of Man

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>You just read Aya, that every living thing came out of water as a matter of fact 60% of human's body is water. There are number of verses in Quran that refer to the earthly origin of man, which the Science found later. Let us go through verses.
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> "He caused you to grow from earth"
[chapter 11 - verse 61]
"We fashioned you from soil."
[chapter 22 - verse 5]
"It is He who initiated your creation from inanimate matter and prescribed laws to determine the term of your physical life".
[chapter 6 - verse 2]
"Man's creation was initiated from inorganic matter which before you, was lying lifeless in the form of clay".
[chapter 32 - verse 7]
"All these planets are only masses of particles which are attached together; whereas human life has progressed and passed through innumerable stages of development (32:7)".
[chapter 37 - verse 11]
"If you want to have an idea of various aspects of His Power, think about the creation of your own self".
[chapter 55 - verse 14]
"The status of human life has been achieved after successfully passing through the steps of animal life".
[chapter 23 - verse 12]
Quintessence means gist or extract of some thing. All the chemical components of human body can also be found in earth as well, that is what the aya implies. So, long before the science discovered earthly origin of man, Quran said it before.
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Quran Perspective Man Transformation

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>We have seen four waves of humans, transformed over a period of time, accepted in Science. Is there any thing in Quran about these transformations. Following verses refer to that:
"We created you and fashioned you and then We asked Malaika to bow before Adam, the representative of humanity".
[chapter 7 - verse 11]
"The Rabb (God Almighty ) Who according to His law of creation, took you through various evolutionary stages one after the other; and fashioned you by removing unnecessary elements, thereby creating excellent balance, proportion and symmetry in you".
[chapter 82 - verse 7-8]
" This tussle occurs because We have bestowed man with the ability to nourish and develop his self and lead a balanced life in a dignified manner".
[chapter 95 - verse 4]
" How can you attain this state of life? For this you should ponder over the Divine Law of Creation, according to which you have passed through various evolutionary stages to attain human form".
[chapter 71 - verse 14]
"(They are very proud that they are mighty and strong; but they forget that) We have created them; and We have endowed strength and stability to their countenances. If they oppose Our Laws, then according to Our Law of Mashiyyat, it is not at all difficult for Us to wholly replace them with another nation".
[chapter 76 - verse 28]
"Allah's law is that everyone is assigned a position according to his deeds of which Allah Almighty is not
unaware ".
[chapter 6 - verse 133]

http://www.parvez-video.com/islam_divine_quran_cattle.asp
Source: http://www.parvez-video.com/science.asp


Funny how a book written 1400 years ago by a bunch of desert Arabs concurs with modern science in many ways.
</td></tr></tbody></table>

 

[BoilinOatRunner]

Okay....

a) Post-hoc interpretations don't prove anything other than how flexible a piece of literature can be.
b) Some of these discoveries were already made... and we knew they were made, by man.
c) A lot of things have other explanations... i.e. There were pagan ideas of humans being created in water, it has nothing to do with the knowledge that our bodies are mostly water...
c) You make enough claims you'll get SOME right.

 

[jb_nc]

<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>Quran and Evolution - Origin of Life:

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Science tells us now that the life on earth originated from water. Even today while we are exploring the galaxies and actively searching for life on other planets, the 1 st question we ask; is there any water on that planet to sustain life, because without water life is impossible. Quran 1400 years ago, before the discovery of science, said the same thing :

"Do not the unbeliever see that the heaven and the earth were joined together, then we set them asunder and we got every living thing out of water. Will they then not believe".
[chapter 21 - verse 30]
First living thing was algae in plant kingdom then animal kingdom started. Quran makes reference to plant kingdom.
[chapter 21 - verse 53]
"(God is the one who) sent down the water from the sky and thereby brought forth pairs of plants, each separate from the other." The verse also points out the sexual reproduction in plant kingdom, much before science discovered it. In 13/3 male and female fruit plants are described.
[chapter 13 - verse 3]

^ Similarly reference is made to the water origin of animals:-

"Allah Almighty (God) created every animal from water. Among living objects there are some which crawl on their bellies, some walk on two legs and some on four".
[chapter 24 - verse 45]


</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Creation of Man

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>You just read Aya, that every living thing came out of water as a matter of fact 60% of human's body is water. There are number of verses in Quran that refer to the earthly origin of man, which the Science found later. Let us go through verses.
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> "He caused you to grow from earth"
[chapter 11 - verse 61]
"We fashioned you from soil."
[chapter 22 - verse 5]
"It is He who initiated your creation from inanimate matter and prescribed laws to determine the term of your physical life".
[chapter 6 - verse 2]
"Man's creation was initiated from inorganic matter which before you, was lying lifeless in the form of clay".
[chapter 32 - verse 7]
"All these planets are only masses of particles which are attached together; whereas human life has progressed and passed through innumerable stages of development (32:7)".
[chapter 37 - verse 11]
"If you want to have an idea of various aspects of His Power, think about the creation of your own self".
[chapter 55 - verse 14]
"The status of human life has been achieved after successfully passing through the steps of animal life".
[chapter 23 - verse 12]
Quintessence means gist or extract of some thing. All the chemical components of human body can also be found in earth as well, that is what the aya implies. So, long before the science discovered earthly origin of man, Quran said it before.
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Quran Perspective Man Transformation

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>We have seen four waves of humans, transformed over a period of time, accepted in Science. Is there any thing in Quran about these transformations. Following verses refer to that:
"We created you and fashioned you and then We asked Malaika to bow before Adam, the representative of humanity".
[chapter 7 - verse 11]
"The Rabb (God Almighty ) Who according to His law of creation, took you through various evolutionary stages one after the other; and fashioned you by removing unnecessary elements, thereby creating excellent balance, proportion and symmetry in you".
[chapter 82 - verse 7-8]
" This tussle occurs because We have bestowed man with the ability to nourish and develop his self and lead a balanced life in a dignified manner".
[chapter 95 - verse 4]
" How can you attain this state of life? For this you should ponder over the Divine Law of Creation, according to which you have passed through various evolutionary stages to attain human form".
[chapter 71 - verse 14]
"(They are very proud that they are mighty and strong; but they forget that) We have created them; and We have endowed strength and stability to their countenances. If they oppose Our Laws, then according to Our Law of Mashiyyat, it is not at all difficult for Us to wholly replace them with another nation".
[chapter 76 - verse 28]
"Allah's law is that everyone is assigned a position according to his deeds of which Allah Almighty is not
unaware ".
[chapter 6 - verse 133]

http://www.parvez-video.com/islam_divine_quran_cattle.asp
Source: http://www.parvez-video.com/science.asp


Funny how a book written 1400 years ago by a bunch of desert Arabs concurs with modern science in many ways.
</td></tr></tbody></table>

lol

 

[withoutaface]

"He caused you to grow from earth"
[chapter 11 - verse 61]
"We fashioned you from soil."
[chapter 22 - verse 5]

But the general scientific consensus is that life began in the ocean...

EDIT: Wait, nevermind, it even contradicts itself in this regard.

 

[Captain Gh3y]

"He caused you to grow from earth"
[chapter 11 - verse 61]
"We fashioned you from soil."
[chapter 22 - verse 5]

But the general scientific consensus is that life began in the ocean...

EDIT: Wait, nevermind, it even contradicts itself in this regard.

haven't u heard of the clay theory of abiogenesis?

"Man's creation was initiated from inorganic matter which before you, was lying lifeless in the form of clay".

 

[veloc1ty]

they think its random chance.. haha

Atheists are still evolving.

Damn right we are, last I checked evolution doesn't have a set goal in mind, a misconception people seem to have.

 

[Wearingmyrolex]

<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>Quran and Evolution - Origin of Life:

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Science tells us now that the life on earth originated from water. Even today while we are exploring the galaxies and actively searching for life on other planets, the 1 st question we ask; is there any water on that planet to sustain life, because without water life is impossible. Quran 1400 years ago, before the discovery of science, said the same thing :

"Do not the unbeliever see that the heaven and the earth were joined together, then we set them asunder and we got every living thing out of water. Will they then not believe".
[chapter 21 - verse 30]
First living thing was algae in plant kingdom then animal kingdom started. Quran makes reference to plant kingdom.
[chapter 21 - verse 53]
"(God is the one who) sent down the water from the sky and thereby brought forth pairs of plants, each separate from the other." The verse also points out the sexual reproduction in plant kingdom, much before science discovered it. In 13/3 male and female fruit plants are described.
[chapter 13 - verse 3]

^ Similarly reference is made to the water origin of animals:-

"Allah Almighty (God) created every animal from water. Among living objects there are some which crawl on their bellies, some walk on two legs and some on four".
[chapter 24 - verse 45]


</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Creation of Man

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>You just read Aya, that every living thing came out of water as a matter of fact 60% of human's body is water. There are number of verses in Quran that refer to the earthly origin of man, which the Science found later. Let us go through verses.
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> "He caused you to grow from earth"
[chapter 11 - verse 61]
"We fashioned you from soil."
[chapter 22 - verse 5]
"It is He who initiated your creation from inanimate matter and prescribed laws to determine the term of your physical life".
[chapter 6 - verse 2]
"Man's creation was initiated from inorganic matter which before you, was lying lifeless in the form of clay".
[chapter 32 - verse 7]
"All these planets are only masses of particles which are attached together; whereas human life has progressed and passed through innumerable stages of development (32:7)".
[chapter 37 - verse 11]
"If you want to have an idea of various aspects of His Power, think about the creation of your own self".
[chapter 55 - verse 14]
"The status of human life has been achieved after successfully passing through the steps of animal life".
[chapter 23 - verse 12]
Quintessence means gist or extract of some thing. All the chemical components of human body can also be found in earth as well, that is what the aya implies. So, long before the science discovered earthly origin of man, Quran said it before.
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Quran Perspective Man Transformation

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>We have seen four waves of humans, transformed over a period of time, accepted in Science. Is there any thing in Quran about these transformations. Following verses refer to that:
"We created you and fashioned you and then We asked Malaika to bow before Adam, the representative of humanity".
[chapter 7 - verse 11]
"The Rabb (God Almighty ) Who according to His law of creation, took you through various evolutionary stages one after the other; and fashioned you by removing unnecessary elements, thereby creating excellent balance, proportion and symmetry in you".
[chapter 82 - verse 7-8]
" This tussle occurs because We have bestowed man with the ability to nourish and develop his self and lead a balanced life in a dignified manner".
[chapter 95 - verse 4]
" How can you attain this state of life? For this you should ponder over the Divine Law of Creation, according to which you have passed through various evolutionary stages to attain human form".
[chapter 71 - verse 14]
"(They are very proud that they are mighty and strong; but they forget that) We have created them; and We have endowed strength and stability to their countenances. If they oppose Our Laws, then according to Our Law of Mashiyyat, it is not at all difficult for Us to wholly replace them with another nation".
[chapter 76 - verse 28]
"Allah's law is that everyone is assigned a position according to his deeds of which Allah Almighty is not
unaware ".
[chapter 6 - verse 133]


Source: http://www.parvez-video.com/science.asp


Funny how a book written 1400 years ago by a bunch of desert Arabs concurs with modern science in many ways.
</td></tr></tbody></table>

Have you actually read the qur'an? did you even bother to look up those verses before you posted them? they're either horribly mistranslated, or blatantly edited. Despite this, theyre still about as insightful as id expect some sandniggers in 700BC to be.

 

[jules.09]

We are all born as atheists.

It is due to social conditioning that we formulate this idea of 'god' and 'culture'. Creationism is the mythology behind these ideas, concerning the prime motivator of everything, 'God'.

But the burden of proof lies with those who believe in God NOT the atheists.

Atheists are varied, there is no distinct ideology all atheists follow. They are either non-religious or deny the existence of God.

How did the earth come about? That's why we have science. We're trying to find an applicable answer rather than affirm that it all started off with something highly improbable (Judeo-Christian God), which results in a vicious infinite regress.

If only we could prove God with mathematical induction lol!

 

[jules.09]

Damn right we are, last I checked evolution doesn't have a set goal in mind, a misconception people seem to have.

At any rate, I think it's a concern that atheists continue to evolve while the religious don't!

Conics2008, what you said was essentially verbal seppuku. Hehe.

 

[chicky_pie]

Scientists say we probably came from outta space

*cough* like how Superman came crashing to earth = us.

 

[TacoTerrorist]

The atheist responses to those verses I posted is the reason I hardly debate religion anymore. They gave no reasonable responses, just bashed it, like the ignorant fucking idiots atheists are. No amount of convincing will convince an atheist, whose mind is already made up and whose eyes are blindfolded.

I will respond to these statements though:

a) Post-hoc interpretations don't prove anything other than how flexible a piece of literature can be.

Are you implying that the verses are mistranslated? No, they aren't.

b) Some of these discoveries were already made... and we knew they were made, by man.

1400 years ago people thought the earth was flat. 1400 years ago most people couldn't read. I doubt that people knew about the formation of the universe or the finer details of the origin of man.

c) A lot of things have other explanations... i.e. There were pagan ideas of humans being created in water, it has nothing to do with the knowledge that our bodies are mostly water...

So? This explanation is one backed up by modern science.

c) You make enough claims you'll get SOME right.

There were three claims. All you retarded atheists demand is proof, and I have proved to you that the Quran contained the principles of the Big Bang theory and direct references to human evolution; and it has been proven to be 1400 years old. Just concede the fucking point.

You know what, sometimes (always) I think about how it would be great if everyone just accepted other peoples beliefs, and questioned and discussed them in a fair and considered way. Then I think about how condescending, arrogant and narrow minded pretty much every atheist I have met is and realise it isn't going to happen.

Just because somebody isn't stupid enough to need empirical proof of something does not mean they are below you or retarded.

Comments like this:

At any rate, I think it's a concern that atheists continue to evolve while the religious don't!

Is just really uncool. I would rather live in a country where everyone was open minded and thoughtful and all believed in a sky-wizard than a country where everyone was an arrogant atheist prick.

I am a Deist, but am sympathetic to theists. I can't believe that some little pseudo-intellectual 17yo from BoS has the gall to insult a person for what they see as irrational beliefs, when that very same person essentially believes that the earth and the complexities of this insanely well designed universe were created by chance, for no fucking reason and from fucking nothing. No amount of scientific explainations and/or tongue twisting crap will diverge from this.

Personally, I find a creator more rational than matter appearing from nowhere and somehow creating all this. Then again, if God really was the source of such ignorant people i.e 99% of the atheist kingdom then I might just become an agnostic.

 

[Captain Gh3y]

I am a Deist, but am sympathetic to theists. I can't believe that some little pseudo-intellectual 17yo from BoS has the gall to insult a person for what they see as irrational beliefs, when that very same person essentially believes that the earth and the complexities of this insanely well designed universe were created by chance, for no fucking reason and from fucking nothing. No amount of scientific explainations and/or tongue twisting crap will diverge from this.

More like no amount of strawman explanations and/or tongue twisting crap will hide your blatant scientific illiteracy

 

[Wearingmyrolex]

Are you implying that the verses are mistranslated? No, they aren't.

actually, they are.

That site you linked is horrible.

 

[TacoTerrorist]

More like no amount of strawman explanations and/or tongue twisting crap will hide your blatant scientific illiteracy

As expected, the classic roundabout argument from the athiest when he cannot answer a question. Science cannot solve the fact that something cannot come from nothing. To believe that the amazingly detailed earth and universe created itself is to defy common sense.

Better site: http://www.quran-islam.org/112.html

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Something can come from nothing, it happens all the time, at least for a while

delta(E).delta(t) < hbar/2

this is a good start

 

[TacoTerrorist]

^ Even if this made sense, where did the energy come from? What sparked the fluctuation?