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bassistx said:
I will come back to this. I need to pee and this is going to take a bit lol.
But I meant that in a communist system, health care would be free, I wasn't referring to it in any other way.
Our health system, for the majority is free. It's also fucking shit and run by a bunch of raving lunatics.

Free doesn't equate to good.
Generally, you have to pay extra if you want quality service. Shocking, I know
 

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zimmerman8k said:
and if you feel like something that tastes good its a long drive to Sydney.
you shouting me lunch dom? bring ari.
 

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Schroedinger said:
Africans sold other Africans into slavery. I think the notion of the white slavers coming over and acting entirely autonomously, like poachers, was waved down the river a long time ago.
Are you trying to justify the "purchase" of other humans? War lords, traded africans cheaply for uniforms and guns, with which they increased the size of their territory,

Brits and Indians co existed peacefully for 50 years, and many groups of indians helped the Americans in the battle against the Redcoats. Genocide came later.
It's official. You're stupid.

If you're any scholar of Austrian economics, it can almost certainly be demonstrated that the business cycle, and thus depressions, are caused by central banks and the unsustainable fiat monetary system.
Basically a depression is when people figure out that the banks are making money out of thin air (after subsequent recessions), and that they really don't have all the money they think they have.

Every dollar that goes into a bank is split three ways and spent/loaned somewhere else.

e.g; Somebody puts $1 into a bank. The bank loans $1 to a third party. The bank then trades another doppelganger dollar of the one you put into the bank earlier for a bond (which is another loan made by a fourth party).

It's really not a customer/bank relationship.
It's basically a major shit-storm.

And judging on the trends, we'll see another depression. Probably in our lifetimes.
 
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sam04u said:
Basically a depression is when people figure out that the banks are making money out of thin air (after subsequent recessions), and that they really don't have all the money they think they have.
This is EXACTLY what he was trying to say.

Fuck.
 

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There ought to be like, a limit on the amount of posts between posts and whatever. I ain't going back and reading all that.

btw: communism>capitalism.

bai! :D
 

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withoutaface said:
This is what he was trying to say.
Fuck.
But he supports Captialism right? Private banks do this shit. A good national (publically owned) bank on the other hand, wouldn't.

Unless I know alot less about economics than I think I do. (Which is quite likely.)
 

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If private banks were to create their own money it would need to be backed by shares (with shares themselves being backed by a percentage of the produce of those who bank with them) or gold. The government backs their money with worthless acts of parliament.
 

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1. I said they almost have a monopoly if you go back x pages
2. These big companies are able to sponsor large sums of money to political parties which I would have no affiliation with in a million years
They spend more on these things than they ever will on charity. The charity is just to make them look good, we all know that.

Think of the big picture. It's not just about food choices. These companies have power. Power in the wrong hands imo.

williamc said:
Consumers are spending more than they should be.

The goverment is contradicting the moves made by the central bank to slow down our economy, by lowering taxes and boosting expenditure, to which interest rate movements havn't had the same economic effect to which they should have.

They are inefficent because labour costs to much in australia.
Let's pay them 60c an hour instead.
I'll get back to you on the rest.

zimmerman8k said:
and if you feel like something that tastes good its a long drive to Sydney.
To Newtown to be more specific.

There's a lot say, but I've gotta go write 300 words Italian. So tomorrow... Ciao! :)

ps I'll bring my textbook too ;)
 

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zimmerman8k said:
I don't get it Dan, are you saying that money should be convertible to something like gold?
I say shares, but having it backed by anything gives the money an inherent value which improves stability.
 

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bassistx said:
1. I said they almost have a monopoly if you go back x pages
2. These big companies are able to sponsor large sums of money to political parties which I would have no affiliation with in a million years
just because you wouldn't affiliate yourself with them, doesn't mean it's wrong. if they sponsored a socialist party would you have a problem? As for the charity, charity for publicity is better than none at all.
 

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bassistx said:
Let's pay them 60c an hour instead.
I'll get back to you on the rest.
The wages they pay are suffice to provide a standard of living to which they can survive.
 

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withoutaface said:
I say shares, but having it backed by anything gives the money an inherent value which improves stability.
What system do we currently have? And how would a change effect the economy/banking in general?
 

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We have money backed by acts of parliament, which means it only has as much value as people have confidence in their government. Having a capital resource behind it would effectively end the cycle of booms and busts.

Nolan: You still up for drinks tomorrow?
 

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Nebuchanezzar said:
Is it a capitalist pig drink session only lol?
He owes me beers because he got pussywhipped and ditched me on Friday, but you're welcome to join.
 

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Schroedinger said:
Your motivations and political leanings come from empathy and a good-nature.

OURS COME FROM LOGIC AND SCIENCE.
Empathy is logic, buddy.
 

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Schroedinger said:
We can go at talkin' about cowboys and injuns, but even the best cowboys get daddy issues and even the best injuns have identity crises, some of them becomin' injuns.
Wasn't that the point of brokeback mountain?
 

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Africa is fucked because successive centuries of governments have denied the population the chance to thrive. If you look at the US they started with absolutely nothing, but the founding fathers were relatively liberal minded people who believed in the entrepreneurial spirit, and, from that, wealth was created all by itself. The great depression was the first blot on its political history, and that was because of the centralised banking system. Had that not been enacted, the New Deal would never have been necessary.
What utter idealistic bullshit. Wealth doesn't just grow from nothing.

No matter where you look in the early capitalist era, you will always find that when typicaly European nations progress, it is the through the expliotation of other nations and people.

In the case of AmeriKKKa, it is the Black nation whose labour was exploited through open slavery. Then the native nations which suffered the most at the hands of settlers, who were killed and robed of their land, or in some cases signed treaties which amounted to nothing. Also consider the various colonialist adventures, Peurto Rico, North Mexico etc. And then only through the expliotation of their own wage earners (later when Black slaves were incorporated into modern capitalism) did Euro AmeriKKKa emerge.

The benefit the settlers had was a new form of expliotation, which is capitalism and this would dominant the native peoples. What you say is correct. The settlers did have alot of progressive ideas, and nearly every nation that was fighting wars of liberation against Spain mostly, and even Cuba, looked towards the ideas coming from the newly formed USA.

Though to claim wealth can came from nothing, is to ignore history. Which is something capitalist inevitable do, as it is never on their side.
 

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bassistx said:
1. I said they almost have a monopoly if you go back x pages
You either have a fucking monopoly or you don't. There is no 'almost a monopoly'. Either McDonalds monopolises the food industry or it doesn't.
 

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boris said:
You either have a fucking monopoly or you don't. There is no 'almost a monopoly'. Either McDonalds monopolises the food industry or it doesn't.
Lol.

New terms bassitx that your business studies textbook doesn't have:

Duopoly- where two producers control the market.
Oligopoly- a small number of large firms dominate the market (what you might be refering to)
 
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