China arrests human rights activists on International Human Rights Day (2 Viewers)

[Will Shakespear]

amerikkka is a plutocracy, not a democracy

 

[ironman000]

Bigboyjames seriously cannot be that stupid, can he? You can't be so utterly idiotic as to draw parallels between the US political system and the chinese one?

Hint: What can you do in America?

Answer: Vote.

you see that the delusion. it keeps the mass population in an mental state as if they are in control of who is in government, however the truth is that both parties are are nearly identical. the only thing that differentiates both parties are symbolic gestures like closing gitmo and signing the kyoto protocol. wow. fucking big deal.

 

[Iron]

China is effectively a 1 party state in that in practice it is the communist party who wields all the power.

However it's not like the US is an extremely free and open democracy for anyone to get into... Take for example the presidential election, for most people there was only a choice between 2 candidates (I suppose those who participated in the primaries of their respective parties had slightly more choice in a way), these 2 candidates had to spend billions of dollars on their campaigns funded by various corporations, lobbyists etc who obviously want to see a return on their investments.

How can someone outside of the two party structure really succeed and have much more power than the independents in China who are given a token appointment?

But Obama was differen you bish~? He took the bulk from small fries

 

[SimonLee13]

you see that the delusion. it keeps the mass population in an mental state as if they are in control of who is in government, however the truth is that both parties are are nearly identical. the only thing that differentiates both parties are symbolic gestures like closing gitmo and signing the kyoto protocol. wow. fucking big deal.

"There is not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican Parties!"
Alabama Governor George Wallace, candidate for President, 1968

America - illegally invaded and occupied Iraq, causing over a million deaths with half a million under the age of 5. Ironic how they preach human rights eh.

 

[withoutaface]

"There is not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican Parties!"
Alabama Governor George Wallace, candidate for President, 1968

America - illegally invaded and occupied Iraq, causing over a million deaths with half a million under the age of 5. Ironic how they preach human rights eh.

Over a million deaths?

Source?

lol?

 

[A High Way Man]

"There is not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican Parties!"
Alabama Governor George Wallace, candidate for President, 1968

America - illegally invaded and occupied Iraq, causing over a million deaths with half a million under the age of 5. Ironic how they preach human rights eh.

The SEGREGATIONIST?

 

[kony]

I think most cultures, including both China's and the Anglo-originated cultures, e.g. USA and Australia, practice domestic human rights according to their moral standards, in a wordless, or sometimes even subconscious advocation of moral relativism.

Unfortunately, moral relativism becomes moral absolutism when viewing other country's human rights record.

For example with the prosecution of the Falun Gong: US media often criticises China's policies against Falun Gong, due to the relative standards of morality where humans are seen to be able to do "whatever they like". Chinese Socialism, on the other hand, promote the idea that people should help others, especially when movements or ideologies become detrimental to citizens. There is no point arguing whether Falun Gong is true or not. That debate is easily settled once you investigate in what it preaches.

Anyway, my point is that people should stop trying to criticise human rights in foreign countries, if they do not truly understand the geopolitical environments, and legal and/or moral standards of human rights in those countries.

Lastly, the media feeds off controversy, and there is none here. Yes Chinese citizens get shafted, but oh well. Eventually the system will be revamped from within. In the meanwhile, laughing at it just shows insecurity.

 

[Enteebee]

No, it's a 1-party state because the law actively forbids any other parties from holding office.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China

I'm sorry, exactly how do the failings of America's electoral system justify China's lack of democracy?

They don't, you just seemed to have a problem with me pointing out that the US is also a great abuser of human rights. What I do think provides not a justification, but a need for further consideration is the problems which china has which many western nations simply do not face...

For example China is by world standards still a fairly poor country, it has a huge number of internal conflicts (different socio-ethnic groups) and is actually taking steps towards modernisation, increasing the freedoms of its population - albeit at perhaps a far too slow rate.

Honestly, your logic is pretty twisted man. Even conceding America's poor electoral system, I can't believe you equate a polarised two party state with a unipolar one party state. That's absolutely moronic.

The point of democracy is supposed to be power to the people right? I don't see this particularly in either nation. You have the corporate backers of the Democrats vs the corporate backers of the Republicans battling it out against the internal political divisions of the communist party... I'm fairly sure it's at least one of Chomsky's arguments that America its self is a one party state, the business party, and the democrats and the republicans are just competing factions of this party (i.e. both parties are there to benefit business primarily, not the people).

 

[Trefoil]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China

lol did you even read that fucking link or did you just think "hey, cool wikipedia title - I bet that'll make it look like I'm right"? Cause it really doesn't support your point.

Just an fyi: the Chinese constitution which the Communist party created prevents any party but themselves from holding office.

For example China is by world standards still a fairly poor country, it has a huge number of internal conflicts (different socio-ethnic groups) and is actually taking steps towards modernisation, increasing the freedoms of its population - albeit at perhaps a far too slow rate.

And you think trying to excuse criticism will increase that pace? Seriously?

The point of democracy is supposed to be power to the people right? I don't see this particularly in either nation.

You're a grade A fucking delusional.

 

[A High Way Man]

lol did you even read that fucking link or did you just think "hey, cool wikipedia title - I bet that'll make it look like I'm right"? Cause it really doesn't support your point.

Just an fyi: the Chinese constitution which the Communist party created prevents any party but themselves from holding office.



And you think trying to excuse criticism will increase that pace? Seriously?



You're a grade A fucking delusional.

stop being so combative u jerk

 

[Trefoil]

stop being so combative u jerk

I will when people stop having an intellectual fap trying to claim that human rights and democracy are relative while people are disappeared in China for speaking their mind.

 

[Enteebee]

lol did you even read that fucking link or did you just think "hey, cool wikipedia title - I bet that'll make it look like I'm right"? Cause it really doesn't support your point.

Just an fyi: the Chinese constitution which the Communist party created prevents any party but themselves from holding office.

Well I guess someone should alert their supreme court about this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wan_Gang

And you think trying to excuse criticism will increase that pace? Seriously?

What I care about more is the truth tbh but I do think taking account of the sort of things I have mentioned (i.e. How poor the nation is, its domestic problems etc) will sure go a lot further in approaching a dialogue with the Chinese to work towards real solutions.

 

[zstar]

I don't see what the point of this thread is


The fact is China is moving closer to modern capitalism while America and the West are rejecting it for Socialism.

Freedom is mostly an illusion and had it not been for the Internet we'd all be ignorant through the media and education system.

When you look at America you have a plutocracy controlled by 2 parties that essentially are controlled by banking elites. Here in Australia you have Rudd a Fabian Socialist that wants the same type of nanny state.

We have the government, We have the police and its laws and we have religion that control our minds and gives us this illusion of freedom.

The most surveillanced nations on this earth is not China it's America and Britain.

The UN of all organizations is as anti-freedom as anyone else.

So what's the point of singling out certain nations when freedom does not really exist?

 

[KFunk]

I will when people stop having an intellectual fap trying to claim that human rights and democracy are relative while people are disappeared in China for speaking their mind.

One can hold that they are mere preferences whilst also claiming that they are personally important ideals. You're falling back on a bit of a hand waving argument.

 

[jb_nc]

I don't see what the point of this thread is


The fact is China is moving closer to modern capitalism while America and the West are rejecting it for Socialism.

Freedom is mostly an illusion and had it not been for the Internet we'd all be ignorant through the media and education system.

When you look at America you have a plutocracy controlled by 2 parties that essentially are controlled by banking elites. Here in Australia you have Rudd a Fabian Socialist that wants the same type of nanny state.

We have the government, We have the police and its laws and we have religion that control our minds and gives us this illusion of freedom.

The most surveillanced nations on this earth is not China it's America and Britain.

The UN of all organizations is as anti-freedom as anyone else.

So what's the point of singling out certain nations when freedom does not really exist?

Amazing, amazing.

 

[Bendent]

You expect the Chinese to "individually obtain" democracy yet ever time they try the government punishes political dissent with labour camps, torture, and executions? Those things have been going on since the beginning of communism in China. Don't you dare try and explain them away as a response to a America.

I'd like to see you try and blame this on America, or try and justify it with "the Chinese people not truly wanting democracy".

nope since 5000 years ago as well