danieljarvis
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bill bryson - a short history of nearly everything.
good book if you want to get an outline on sciences thoughts.
good book if you want to get an outline on sciences thoughts.
no, it was the thing about him flowing FROM you that confused me. dont worry, i believe he never got crucified in the first place, but raised to the sky with another person resembling his picture taking his place. (im muslim, for your information. the rest already know ie sasha, ntb, moonlight)Wilmo said:I said nothing different in the last line to anything else... why clarify? I am convinced Jesus is not dead and because of that, I am just as capable of hanging out with him as with anybody else.
lmao, did you make that up?Wilmo said:You can dance, you can dance,
Everybody think with your pants
Ah I get you... i'll use a little analogy to explain that if i can...veterandoggy said:no, it was the thing about him flowing FROM you that confused me. dont worry, i believe he never got crucified in the first place, but raised to the sky with another person resembling his picture taking his place. (im muslim, for your information. the rest already know ie sasha, ntb, moonlight)
I think theres a song like that... But it says "Everybody look at your pants" instead. It was on the Simpsons onceveterandoggy said:lmao, did you make that up?
But believing in God because of Jesus is essentially believing in him because you read a book.Wilmo said:Everything is permissable... but not everything is beneficial I hardly think me speaking to you (or even making a decision) under the influence of any type of plant or chemical is beneficial
No... it is not just some feeling i get from reading a book that causes me to believe in God. It's not just wishful thinking that there must be something beyond this life that causes me to believe. What i "feel" has very little to do with it.
I believe that God has revealed himself very clearly through the person of Jesus Christ. I believe he is fully man and fully God. I believe that he died, but was raised from death three days after. Because this, he is no less capable of presenting himself as real to me as he did to the people 2000 years ago.
So yes, I have a personal relationship with the man, and inherently God, even if i don't get to see him. He is no less real to me than you, who i cant see, or my friends who I see every day. I guess the best way to explain that is that I am blind and I cant see my friend, but he speaks and he puts his hand on my shoulder and he does everything possible to let me know that he is still with me.
Have i been left all alone to believe in this person I cant see? After all how to I know that you are really who you claim to be? If you really wanted me to believe you, you would send someone who knows you intimately to assure me of who you are. And God has done EXACTLY the same thing for me.
In becoming a Christian I have recieved the Holy Spirit. This means that God is no longer an external person who can feel distant and far away! Instead, God himself has made his home in me! Every day I must die to myself so that the life of God may flow from me.
How do I know that God lives in me? Because his Spirit awakens mine to his presence. And I am so humbled by the fact that the perfect and living God has chosen to make my sinful human body his dwelling place.
My natural state is rebelling against God's will for my life and there is NO way i can change that myself. It is only possible for God to live in a perfect relationship with God. So through my life, I exhibit the life of Christ in this; I am now dead to my sin, my rebellion against God, and I am no longer it's slave.
Yes I still sin, but every day I do what it is impossible for me to humanly do. By the Spirit I put to death my sinful nature and am thus the perfect God sees me as perfect. It is not because I am better than anyone else that God chose to live in me... but because he did i now have a full and active relationship with him.
In short, through the Spirit God revealed to me that I am not good enough to save myself, but he is awesome enough to save me. He did this through the man Jesus Christ who is as real as you and my best friends, and that I now have a saving relationship with.
huh? then why did you start this thread?MoonlightSonata said:http://www.takefive.com.br/images/frustration_00.jpg
I tire of this and I've said what I have to say, so no more religious discussion for me.
Not really... i don't "need" to read the bible to be introduced to Jesus... but it's because I have met him that i read the bible in order to learn more about how he calls me to live.withoutaface said:But believing in God because of Jesus is essentially believing in him because you read a book.
Oh, you met jesus did you?Wilmo said:Not really... i don't "need" to read the bible to be introduced to Jesus... but it's because I have met him that i read the bible in order to learn more about how he calls me to live.
Sigged .Wilmo said:Not really... i don't "need" to read the bible to be introduced to Jesus... but it's because I have met him that i read the bible in order to learn more about how he calls me to live.
lol. id sig people but it can be a tad too cruel.withoutaface said:Sigged .
veterandoggy said:my parents gave me the keys to my religion sasha, but i was the one who in effect opened it to myself.
chances are you wouldnt , because at that young age, you seem to look up to your parents, and all their words are thought to be correct and should be followed.veterandoggy said:well, i could have said that they are brainwashed and there is no hell anyway.
Jesus was fully God and fully man. As such, he was a man FULL of the Holy Spirit. So each person that has recieved the Holy Spirit has been made like Jesus. It is through the Holy Spirit present in other christians that Christ is manifested. We are his body, and as such he can clearly be seen in the lives of Christians who are set apart for the Lord.SashatheMan said:what do u mean you met jesus?
My mum goes to church, but my dad goes to the beach. Both claim to be Christian, but as for the state of their relationship with God, that is between them and God. I would not classify them as religious (except maybe my mum).SashatheMan said:let me ask you this. Are your parents religious? did they read you the childrens bible when your younger? did they say god is real, at the age when you are learning and listening to every word of your parents.
What do you mean by religious people and religious? Because there are so many people i know that have grown up in christian homes and are christian because their parents are. They've never had to think hard about whether they themselves follow christ, just that they go through the same motions their parents did.SashatheMan said:majority of religious people are only religious because their parents are and they told them at a young age, that can greatly influence what you believe.
So you claim that you cannot be a good person without being a Christian and that all Christians are good people?Jesus was fully God and fully man. As such, he was a man FULL of the Holy Spirit. So each person that has recieved the Holy Spirit has been made like Jesus. It is through the Holy Spirit present in other christians that Christ is manifested. We are his body, and as such he can clearly be seen in the lives of Christians who are set apart for the Lord.