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Qn: would you rather be created from someones rib or dust?Good argument, but why does the man come first before the women, sexist. Im also a bit of a feminism..(heh)
Qn: would you rather be created from someones rib or dust?Good argument, but why does the man come first before the women, sexist. Im also a bit of a feminism..(heh)
Adam came from a woman..makes much more sense, and whats wrong with Adam coming from Eve??..is it so hard to get??.. Ribs is better than dust obviously, but still, unfair..and wrong..Qn: would you rather be created from someones rib or dust?
i haven't read the text but one must be careful in such an aproach as the Bible also says that we are not to judge who will go to heaven and who won't - Jesus does that and he looks at the heart - something we mortals can't even fully comprehend.Revelation 21:8 describes groups of people that will automatically be sent to hell. Among them is listed "sorcerers".
There is overwhelming evidence it happened however. Eye witness reports are the among the least reliable of evidence, the evidence that does exist for the big bang is much better than if it could have been observed. I don't have to see an atom to know it exists, but I can see the abundant evidence demonstrating its existence. The conditions observed in the universe are exactly as predicted if the big bang took place.Has anyone actually seen the big bang? no.
The bible is not a reliable source in any way. Nothing written in it can be relied upon to have happened. Jesus may not have existed.Has anyone seen Jesus? yes.
Not really. If I break the law willfully, and am never caught, what consequence have I suffered?Since when has doing something bad not involved some sort of punishment or guilt trip - there are consequences for everything we do.
I'm not judging anyone, I'm citing exactly what the book says, be a sorcerer, go to hell.i haven't read the text but one must be careful in such an aproach as the Bible also says that we are not to judge who will go to heaven and who won't - Jesus does that and he looks at the heart - something we mortals can't even fully comprehend.
Shouldn't he already know this, being omniscient and all? Wouldn't that mean he's letting bad shit happen for no reason? Wouldn't that make him an asshole?why does bad stuff hapen?, because of the fall, and god lets it happen so he can find who truelly would believe without proof!
Have you actually seen Iraq? Have you actually seen the centre of the earth?Has anyone actually seen the big bang? no.
Has anyone seen Jesus? yes. Jesus who is God, the Holy Spirit and Himself.
Since when has a finite number of crimes/wrongdoings justified an eternity of torture?Since when has doing something bad not involved some sort of punishment or guilt trip - there are consequences for everything we do.
He gave us the choice to follow a 2000 year old book or suffer an eternity of torture. Now that's love. Real love involves accepting someone no matter what they do, not punishing them doe doing something as inconsequential as not loving you back.because God loved and respected us so much that he gave us choice, the choice to make our OWN decisions.
No they don't.People know God is there.
lolTake my cousin for example, lets call her Amelia.
God doesn't exist. Prove me wrong.God exists - prove me wrong
"Seek and ye shall find."God doesn't exist. Prove me wrong.
Burden of proof lies with you. Remember, that which is presented with no evidence can be rejected with no evidence.
To me the fact that Christians acknowledge Jesus as the son of God and that both Islam and Judaism say that yes Jesus did exist, i think that Muslims even belive he was a prophet?There is overwhelming evidence it happened however. Eye witness reports are the among the least reliable of evidence, the evidence that does exist for the big bang is much better than if it could have been observed. I don't have to see an atom to know it exists, but I can see the abundant evidence demonstrating its existence. The conditions observed in the universe are exactly as predicted if the big bang took place.
The bible is not a reliable source in any way. Nothing written in it can be relied upon to have happened. Jesus may not have existed.
Not really. If I break the law willfully, and am never caught, what consequence have I suffered?
This is not a counter-argument. You're as bad as Iron."Seek and ye shall find."
To me the fact that atheists do not acknowledge Jesus as the son of God says that no Jesus did not exist. Also, your sentence didn't make sense.To me the fact that Christians acknowledge Jesus as the son of God and that both Islam and Judaism say that yes Jesus did exist, i think that Muslims even belive he was a prophet?
To me the what? You mean this is the evidence you have to validate the existence of Jesus?Brontecat said:To me the fact that Christians acknowledge Jesus as the son of God and that both Islam and Judaism say that yes Jesus did exist, i think that Muslims even belive he was a prophet?
Meaningless platitudes are not wanted here."Seek and ye shall find."
As I previously said i do believe that God is forgiving however i do also believe that there are certain crimes that without remorse are not deserving of mercy. However, as i have also said i do not believe that it is my right to judge and decide what i think God should do.Shouldn't he already know this, being omniscient and all? Wouldn't that mean he's letting bad shit happen for no reason? Wouldn't that make him an asshole?
Have you actually seen Iraq? Have you actually seen the centre of the earth?
Since when has a finite number of crimes/wrongdoings justified an eternity of torture?
He gave us the choice to follow a 2000 year old book or suffer an eternity of torture. Now that's love. Real love involves accepting someone no matter what they do, not punishing them doe doing something as inconsequential as not loving you back.
"Ask and it shall be given unto you""Seek and ye shall find."
Secular Evidence:To me the what? You mean this is the evidence you have to validate the existence of Jesus?
So you're saying, you believe Jesus existed, because many other people have been deluded into believing he existed.
And what reason do those people have to believe he existed? They believe he existed, because others believe he existed!
It's perfect reasoning
Meaningless platitudes are not wanted here.
So you think there are crimes that are deserving of infinite punishment? Is not loving god one such crime? Because as far as I know anyone who does not love god will go to hell.As I previously said i do believe that God is forgiving however i do also believe that there are certain crimes that without remorse are not deserving of mercy.
If you can't think for yourself no wonder you believe in a god.However, as i have also said i do not believe that it is my right to judge and decide what i think God should do.
I ask for proof of god, delivered by god himself. I ask for the right to make my own choices about how to live my life, without worrying about what god wants me to do. Do you think god will give me these things? pfft."Ask and it shall be given unto you"
Oh, realy? you would know? Have you read the books of Daniel and Revelation? I think its fair to say that it has prophesied things "to the letter" correctly. Also have you ever wondered where the whole notion of moral codes and values came from? Many do not realise the detrimental theories of evolution (as opposed to the teachings in the Bible). its what caused millions of deaths through nazi germany, communist russia, WW2 Japan through its concepts of some beings/creatures/humans being supperior to others.The bible is not a reliable source in any way. Nothing written in it can be relied upon to have happened. Jesus may not have existed.
so do you believe that there is a hell? Having love for God and believing in God can sometimes be different?So you think there are crimes that are deserving of infinite punishment? Is not loving god one such crime? Because as far as I know anyone who does not love god will go to hell.
Offering personal criticism does nothing to help you prove your point.If you can't think for yourself no wonder you believe in a god.
You have been given that right. Are you not already making your own choices with no concern for God?I ask for proof of god, delivered by god himself. I ask for the right to make my own choices about how to live my life, without worrying about what god wants me to do. Do you think god will give me these things? pfft.
OH MY FUCKING GOD AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. You, sir, are truly a daft cunt. Please come back when you pass year nine science and have some concept of world history.Many do not realise the detrimental theories of evolution (as opposed to the teachings in the Bible). its what caused millions of deaths through nazi germany, communist russia, WW2 Japan through its concepts of some beings/creatures/humans being supperior to others.
lolOh, realy? you would know? Have you read the books of Daniel and Revelation? I think its fair to say that it has prophesied things "to the letter" correctly.
They come from society, not the bible. To say otherwise would be to say that societies before the bible was written had no moral codes or values. Which would be almost as retarded as your knowledge of evolution.Also have you ever wondered where the whole notion of moral codes and values came from?
One that doesn't please.Qn: would you rather live in a world that lives according to Biblical teachings or one that doesn't?
No, yes, yes. Now answer my question.so do you believe that there is a hell? Having love for God and believing in God can sometimes be different?
As opposed to offering personal opinions, which is exactly what you're doing?Offering personal criticism does nothing to help you prove your point.
I shall rephrase that: I ask for the right to do what I want with my life without being punished for it for eternity.You have been given that right. Are you not already making your own choices with no concern for God?
lolOh, realy? you would know? Have you read the books of Daniel and Revelation? I think its fair to say that it has prophesied things "to the letter" correctly. Also have you ever wondered where the whole notion of moral codes and values came from? Many do not realise the detrimental theories of evolution (as opposed to the teachings in the Bible). its what caused millions of deaths through nazi germany, communist russia, WW2 Japan through its concepts of some beings/creatures/humans being supperior to others.
Qn: would you rather live in a world that lives according to Biblical teachings or one that doesn't?
Yes, yet not the "common" belief that bad people burn for their sins into all eternity. I believe what the Bible says and it doesn't say that. "the fire (hell) shall not be quenched" may be interpreted as they will burn forever. Yet fire doesn't burn forever, it needs fuel, thus will stop when judgement is complete and there's nothing left to burn. The fire and brimstone punishment on soddom and gomora can be parraleled to those in the lake of fire and brimstone (hell).so do you believe that there is a hell?