Kwayera said:
Okay, considering that it's rather late, I'll make reference to only one particular universal 'phenomena' that disallows the existence of your God - chaos. Again, for those of you who don't know, and to really, really, horribly dumb it down (because to be perfectly honest it's been a while since I've revisited what I learnt about chaos), the theory basically states that all things tend towads a state of discord. The 'theory of God' indicates that God is perfect in absolutely every way (and then argue that if he's perfect, then how could be create something so flawed as man, which is stupid [but kind of 'true'], because we're not flawed - we're animals, in the crudest sense) - how, then could a prefect God have created a universe in which the very matter that binds it together tend towards DISORDER, thus chaos? That would imply a flaw in the 'intelligent design' of the universe that many Christains spout as 'evidence' for it's existence - what God would create a universe hell-bent on ripping itself apart (i.e. away from order into disorder = chaos) at the quantum level?
I realise i'm not explaining this very well, as it's 1:00am and I'm only a lowly dropped-from-2u-into-general maths and just-started-on-HSC-physics and what-the-hell-bearing-does-this-have-on-quantum-physics-even-though-I-actually-AM- a-HSC-course-EES student, so my 'evidence' isn't really very convincing, however much it is based on fact (and 'Biblical' evidence is based on fiction).
hmmmm ok firstly, who are we to question god? if god has created the universe, it cannot be questioned, and neither can any of god's other actions.
1. You forget that every particle has an anti-particle, and mass can be converted into energy. E=mc2 obviously, what i'm saying is that all the matter in the universe is essentially energy, which is "pure". If u have heard of the big bang theory, you would realise that all the evidence actually points to the fact that the universe was created in an immense explosion from a singularity, ie a region with infinite density, temperature, space etc. but then the question must be asked, according to the law of conservation of energy, energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can merely be canged into different forms, which i assume u know
IF THIS IS THE CASE, THEN WHERE DID ALL THIS MATTER COME FROM????? (keep in mind that matter is essentially energy)
God? So basically science is conforming to the existence of god.....lol
A singularity is the epitome of material objects in this universe, a region of space-time of infinite boundaries and a potentail disaster for epistomolgy, but this relates to what i have been saying about our senses. i do not know why they are present (well i know the scientific reason ofcourse) but in relation to god, as i said gods actions are not questionable.
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how, then could a prefect God have created a universe in which the very matter that binds it together tend towards DISORDER, thus chaos?
you assume that if god is perfect, that whatever god may create is perfect. This is not the case, who says that god cannot create something imperfect, and how do u know the universe is not perfect?
quantum theory just adds to the evidence in regards to my arguement and epistemology.
choas theory is merely the after effects of a certain event, ie say for instance the "Butterfly Effect", a butterfly flapping its wings in a certain area of the atmosphere can have profound impact in the future, like it might cause an imbalance in the atmospheric pressure, and there u have it... a cyclone up your ass...mind the language
"A chaotic system is defined as one that shows sensitivity to initial conditions. That is, any uncertainty in the initial state of the given system, no matter how small, will lead to rapidly growing errors in any effort to predict the future behavior…In other words, the system is chaotic. Its behavior can be predicted only if the initial conditions are known to an infinite degree of accuracy, which is impossible."
perhaps chaos is necessary for the macroscopic details to emerge.
what would happen if we did not have chaos? The world would lack something wouldnt it, probability it would not be as we know it.. for futhur reading research the Anthropic priciple.
This is essential is it not?
so chaos is in fact integral in my opinion.
In the realm of the quantum, little is known, although we have gone a long way. I could go on for ages, but im tired *yawns* and i got a fucking philosphy essay on the 'many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics' which is due very soon mind u.
hmmm uncertainty priciple springs to mind, wat else, ah yes 'quantum foam' and the probablilty of matter. Cassimir effect.
ah shit mind-blank
oh well science does infact do the opposite to what u say. For me it is just evidence for god, and i will do my best to learn as much as i can about this universe before i die. another aspect which i think should be discussed is the MWI (many world interpretation) of quantum mechanics, as this is philosphically satisfying.
- sorry if i made an scientific errors, i'm not perfect and i dont want to be
