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I wouldnt call it deep seated, there are sick bastards in every culture. What makes it difficult to weed out is where the powerbases in the community lie. I wont begin to understand it because i have never encountered anything like that, but i imagine its similiar to the powerbase of a church which leads to sexual abuse. When elders hold so much power, its diffcult to contradict that [but a few movements like the new mens groups are trying their best to, and womens groups have always held power so they are another check there]

If porn is being used to desensitise kids to sex, wouldnt the logical response be to stamp down on showing porn to kids and enforcing the legal ratings, rather than stamping down on porn itself?

An analogy would be: "plastic zip lock bags are currently the primary container used to transport and coneal drugs. Rather than stamp down on drug dealing and drug using, the government has now decided to outlaw plastic zip lock bags, despite their primary and overwhelming uses that arent drug related" 0_o

Does this seem like fools logic to anyone else? banning Alcohol is almost understandable[i disagree with it, but atleast i can see where they are coming from] but porn?

And if thats there logic lets bring it in everywhere. A common pedophile tactic is to lure young children to their home and show them some porn. This is known as "grooming" and is rather rampant in america[ a primarily white nation] If we are going to use this fools logic, why dont we extend it everywhere? oh wait, because not only is it a completelt idiotic idea, its also racist.

All the other responses bar mandatory health checks [which should be in place everywhere, its not just black kids that get molested you know] seem to be in the wrong direction, half arsed with no real followup or completely ineffective[how exactly are they going to get rid of porn without seeming like nazis?]
 

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frog12986 said:
You can't presume to know me, or my views in relation to the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children, or children in general. Their background is irrelevant here. Steps need to be taken to address the issue, irrespective of the impact upon their 'aboriginality'. I have not for one moment, altered my views in relation to the plight of 'Aboriginal Activists' as this is not about them or their 'quest' for freedom, it's about the basic right of any child to live free from sexual and physical abuse.
So now you're a fanatical human rights activist? You're totally impartial. It doesn't matter whether they are Aboriginal or what ever, but so long as they are children.
frog12986 said:
The academic solutions have failed, will continue to fail, and achieve nothing but a worsening of the situation for the people in these communities.
Which academic solutions?
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The pendulum has swung too far the other way, and leaving these people to their own devices has intensified the situation to a much greater extent than would otherwise be the case.
You remind me of that man in Rabbit Proof fence. The one who signs the papers and who gives a conference to the people. Hello, this is 2007, who says "The pendulum has swung too far the other way, and leaving these people to their own devices has intensified the situation to a much greater extent than would otherwise be the case."

That's yearning for a serious reading by Nolan.
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I suggest you go and live for a week in one of these areas, or even in the houso's out in Western Sydney.
Oh, have you?

frog12986 said:
That is the greatest problem with the academic world. It is confined to the walls of academic institutions and the reality of situations are largely superceded by 'research' and 'social theory'..
You're hilarious.

Yes, our nations intellectuals, they just don't understand. They're.. "confined to the walls of academic institutions". They aren't in the *real world* they are too busy off fantasizing.

I have a book which i shall get from the library, i will photocopy the first few pages and post it here for you to read. It's about how people like you have a problem with university "intellectuals". That is, you're suffering an intellectual inferiority complex.
 
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Justin said:
I have a book which i shall get from the library, i will photocopy the first few pages and post it here for you to read. It's about how people like you have a problem with university "intellectuals". That is, you're suffering an intellectual inferiority complex.
I see 'intelligence' as a complete form, extending beyond the academic ability. So my inferiority complex would be directed to much more complete individuals..

Provide to me one example, of a social theory or a social theoriser that has made a clear contribution to a solution of one of society's pressing problems?
 
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Provide to me one example, of a social theory or a social theoriser that has made a clear contribution to a solution of one of society's pressing problems?
Hello
 

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frog12986 said:
The academic solutions have failed, will continue to fail, and achieve nothing but a worsening of the situation for the people in these communities.
Many of the older solutions have failed because they made assumptions about ATSI people that were clearly wrong. While self determination and other accepted methods have generally worked with groups integrating into mainstream society, it hasn't worked for ATSI people. Personally I don't think ATSI problem will ever be sold and much of it is to do with the incompatibility of ATSI culture with modern western culture.

I suggest you go and live for a week in one of these areas, or even in the houso's out in Western Sydney. That is the greatest problem with the academic world. It is confined to the walls of academic institutions and the reality of situations are largely superceded[sic] by 'research' and 'social theory'..
Starting to sound a bit like Pol Pot. Academics are to blame for everything. Academics don't know anything. Academics don't exist in the real world.
 
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Yeh but you're the kind of person who hates Aboriginals, so why do you care? What does it matter to you if it "has failed over the past two decades"?
Maybe you should care enough to know what these people are actually called, Australianal? lulz anal.
 

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It shows well enough that you're deeply ignorant, probably racist, don't care one bit about our Indigenous communities and you're only using this tragic issue (and the less than perfect response) to make a political point. This in spite of both major parties agreeing that this ought to be a non-political issue.
 

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Because I used the wrong word?

You're a retard.

Oh and look at the thread title :eek:

Don't try to push your pathetic agenda by saying complete crap. I know that TT and ACA lovers love to do it.
 

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No because you're a closet racist who's never said a word about this issue until now that it provided you with an opportunity to score political points. It's obvious you're using your wedge tactics to satisfy your irrational hatred and prejudice against anything the Liberal Party does.

This is something so serious that even the ALP have given their support to taking action. And yet here you are still applying the same tired old rhetoric to score points against the the Liberal Party while the rest of us are more interested in the Little Children Are Sacred report, its implications and what the best course of action is. You should be like the ALP and get over yourself for once.
 
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Captain Gh3y said:
No because you're a closet racist who's never said a word about this issue until now that it provided you with an opportunity to score political points. It's obvious you're using your wedge tactics to satisfy your irrational hatred and prejudice against anything the Liberal Party does.

This is something so serious that even the ALP have given their support to taking action. And yet here you are still applying the same tired old rhetoric to score points against the the Liberal Party while the rest of us are more interested in the Little Children Are Sacred report, its implications and what the best course of action is. You should be like the ALP and get over yourself for once.
I think it's more of a case of i'm not naive and see the ulterior motives for the liberal party to implement this plan. The frustrating thing is that no matter how much i try to explain it, morons like you on this forum don't understand because you aren't enlightened enough. You are unwilling to imagine that John Howard could possible be actually working agaisnt you, rather than for you. Even in circumstances where he is exploiting you, you assume that he is on your side.

You are wrong.
 

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Justin said:
I think it's more of a case of i'm not naive and see the ulterior motives for the liberal party to implement this plan. The frustrating thing is that no matter how much i try to explain it, morons like you on this forum don't understand because you aren't enlightened enough.
morons like you on this forum don't understand because you aren't enlightened enough.
enlightened enough.
*~*~I am a higher form of being that all you plebians, bow down before me~*~Then you will experience greatness~*~*

You are unwilling to imagine that John Howard could possible be actually working agaisnt you, rather than for you. Even in circumstances where he is exploiting you, you assume that he is on your side.

You are wrong.
Work choices is bad for me as a worker.

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Because I used the wrong word?

You're a retard.

Oh and look at the thread title :eek:

Don't try to push your pathetic agenda by saying complete crap. I know that TT and ACA lovers love to do it.
um you tried to call me out on it
 

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Captain Gh3y said:
No because you're a closet racist
Oh yes i'm a closet racist :rolleyes:

I think you're just angry that i've gone from BoS's most ignorant member to one that is more enlightened than you can feel comfortable with, all in less than a year. A little bit of education can go a long way ;)

Call me a racist, or any insult. At least i don't like TT or ACA :eek: (and that Cpt. Gh3y, is truly an insult).
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who's never said a word about this issue until now that it provided you with an opportunity to score political points.
I have spoken about this issue often. Which is more than "never".
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It's obvious you're using your wedge tactics to satisfy your irrational hatred and prejudice against anything the Liberal Party does.
Yes.. Because it's justified because anything the liberal party does must be questioned. Clearly. And if you're saying that this ploy by the liberal party should go unquestioned.. That i should sit here and shut up and not question it, then you are mistaking me for one of your TT viewers.
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This is something so serious that even the ALP have given their support to taking action.
Which is why the ALP is inept :)
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And yet here you are still applying the same tired old rhetoric to score points against the the Liberal Party
Well i'm sorry if you find it to be old rhetoric, but i think you're just classifying it as such as way of rejecting its substance.
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while the rest of us are more interested in the Little Children Are Sacred report, its implications and what the best course of action is.
Oh yes, i'm sure. Once again, you actually care, don't you?
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You should be like the ALP and get over yourself for once.
John Howard, our leader. UNITE! *fist through the air*
 

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What's he doing against me fuckwit?

by the way using the wrong word was enough for you to throw a tantrum back at post #30.

You're hilariously stupid, do you think the whole ALP is going to vote Liberal now because they support what he's doing?
 

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jb_nc said:
*~*~I am a higher form of being that all you plebians, bow down before me~*~Then you will experience greatness~*~*



Work choices is bad for me as a worker.
oh, and along comes fucking jb_nc with his cuterising tactics.

GEORRRGE BUSSHH..

WORK CHOICES IS BAD FOR ME.

OOOOH, LETS CAPITALISE WORDS, BRING OUT KEY ISSUES AND SUMMARISE THEM IN WORDS TO MAKE THE PERSON FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT.

Please, fuck off. I can see through you. Your tactics may work on 9/11 conspiracy theorists, because they are full of shit. But when you apply them to me, you fail miserably.
 

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oh, and along comes fucking jb_nc with his cute-rising tactics.

GEORRRGE BUSSHH..

WORK CHOICES.

OOOOH, LETS CAPITALISE WORDS, BRING OUT KEY ISSUES AND SUMMARISE THEM IN WORDS TO MAKE THE PERSON FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT.

Please, fuck off.
You are too stupid to debate me, is that it? Probably, and I don't make you feel like an idiot, you are an idiot.
 

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Justin said:
Oh yes i'm a closet racist :rolleyes:
See the funny part is that THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO TO EVERYONE ELSE

What you need to learn is that you imagining someone to believe something doesn't mean they actually do. We don't all fit the fucking rigid stereotypes you read about in your 1st year sociology textbook. You're not enlightened or perceptive, you're using stereotypes and boring overused cliches then acting hysterically when someone doesn't conform to your imagined mould.
 

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What's he doing against me fuckwit?
If you are too stupid to realise, then nothing someone says to you on an internet forum is going to change your mind.
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by the way using the wrong word was enough for you to throw a tantrum back at post #30.
Hypocracy!!?!?!?!!?!?

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You're hilariously stupid, do you think the whole ALP is going to vote Liberal now because they support what he's doing?
What?
 

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Captain Gh3y said:
See the funny part is that THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO TO EVERYONE ELSE

What you need to learn is that you imagining someone to believe something doesn't mean they actually do. We don't all fit the fucking rigid stereotypes you read about in your 1st year sociology textbook. You're not enlightened or perceptive, you're using stereotypes and boring overused cliches then acting hysterically when someone doesn't conform to your imagined mould.
omg dude capitalising words and "cuterising" them I CANNOT DEAL WITH THIS. I prefer when i write letters to ACA/TT they make me feel good and they don't write back

~~With the power of my enlightened mind~~
 

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