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you people make me sick.grk_styl said:
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you don't think simon fontana is sex on legs?absolution* said:
that's good....more for me.
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Scum. Pure scum.grk_styl said:
...and totally lol at that video. Bob Brown... WAY sexier than Simon "oo let's have a cup of tea and reminisce of ol' times back when queers werent around and kids didnt take drugs and went to church" Fontana. FGT.
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Simon was accused unfairly of so much during the election. I had the pleasure of meeting him before the election campaign, and I was incredibly impressed by his understanding of the issues and the solutions he proposed to the problems facing students at the Conservatorium. While, of course, his opinions differ to mine on a number of issues, I can respect his opinions because unlike some people (whose opinions may even be closer to my own) Simon was not hostile to the suggestion that some students might disagree with him, and showed nothing but respect to students of all beliefs and backgrounds. He is, and will continue to be an Excellent Union Board member.
I come to the SRC table with the same principles. I have my beliefs, which influence the policy I promote. But I am completely open to the ideas of other students, and I will vote on what I believe would benefit students best. At the end of the day, I would like to be the President who could meet with the Greens at 12, Labor at 1 and the Liberals at 2, and feel that I had done my duty in representing the students of each group to the best of my ability - no matter my own political persuasion (which for the record, is probably best described as "Lathamism").
I come to the SRC table with the same principles. I have my beliefs, which influence the policy I promote. But I am completely open to the ideas of other students, and I will vote on what I believe would benefit students best. At the end of the day, I would like to be the President who could meet with the Greens at 12, Labor at 1 and the Liberals at 2, and feel that I had done my duty in representing the students of each group to the best of my ability - no matter my own political persuasion (which for the record, is probably best described as "Lathamism").
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Oh for fucks sake Phanatical no one gives a shit and the fact that you keep offloading your mundane and overly rehearsed rhetoric on us not only shows an arrogance on your part but also a completely undermining of the collective intelligence of the rest of the BOS usyd cohort.
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pffft I don't care what fontana believes in, I just think he's hot. I'm assuming he's a Lib, and I have no problem with that.
but the src argument was so yesterday. now it's boring.
but the src argument was so yesterday. now it's boring.
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Yeah thats a bit like me and Rose "fuck the VSU, comrades" Jackson. I shouldnt criticise.grk_styl said:
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I'm sorry... I know I'm a girl, and I don't really get how the male's brain works, but I don't see that Rose jackson is hot....
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To promote myself as the sensible alternative is the ONLY thing I can do. If students do not get my message - then we are stuck with a group of students whose idea of "ACTION" involves taking our money and spending it on stupid things.
Also, Rose IS hot. She's evil, but she's hot.
Also, Rose IS hot. She's evil, but she's hot.
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Just off the top of my head:
More funding spent by our SRC supporting the falun gong cult than providing services to the Sydney Conservatorium of Music. Of all the promises made that have been broken - it's those towards MY faculty that have been broken first, because we're "Just" music students.
Funding provided by students for the SRC to spend on supporting Taiwanese and Tibetan independence, despite the fact that SRC funding comes in part from students of Chinese background - and despite the fact that these campaigns were run so as to demonise Chinese people.
Excessive funding provided by students for the SRC to maintain a women's officer, whose role was simply to demonise men at our uni. There is no health care information regarding men's health at the SRC, such as testicular cancer and violence against men in the home - but there is a LOT about breast cancer, abortion and violence against women in the home, among others. In fact, it is the policy of the SRC that all opposition must be taken against any "Men's Officer" - and OUR student fees have been used by our representatives to travel to other universities to oppose Men's Officers there too.
Our representatives have always Promised us Action. They go on and on about it, trying to convince students that they are right. But they never TAKE Action. They expect us to pay for their stupid activities year after year - but they never give anything back. And it's not the fault of the Federal Government that the VSU legislation is so popular - THE BLAME LIES SQUARELY ON THE SHOULDERS OF OUR STUDENT REPRESENTATIVES.
More funding spent by our SRC supporting the falun gong cult than providing services to the Sydney Conservatorium of Music. Of all the promises made that have been broken - it's those towards MY faculty that have been broken first, because we're "Just" music students.
Funding provided by students for the SRC to spend on supporting Taiwanese and Tibetan independence, despite the fact that SRC funding comes in part from students of Chinese background - and despite the fact that these campaigns were run so as to demonise Chinese people.
Excessive funding provided by students for the SRC to maintain a women's officer, whose role was simply to demonise men at our uni. There is no health care information regarding men's health at the SRC, such as testicular cancer and violence against men in the home - but there is a LOT about breast cancer, abortion and violence against women in the home, among others. In fact, it is the policy of the SRC that all opposition must be taken against any "Men's Officer" - and OUR student fees have been used by our representatives to travel to other universities to oppose Men's Officers there too.
Our representatives have always Promised us Action. They go on and on about it, trying to convince students that they are right. But they never TAKE Action. They expect us to pay for their stupid activities year after year - but they never give anything back. And it's not the fault of the Federal Government that the VSU legislation is so popular - THE BLAME LIES SQUARELY ON THE SHOULDERS OF OUR STUDENT REPRESENTATIVES.
Andrew why are you supporting VSU then? If you support VSU but run for SRC President isn't it a catch 22? How are you going to carry out any of your intended policies without any money?
Your idea of taking action lies in the improvement of the Conservatorium - which is only natural considering that you are a Con student. However, what about the majority of the University's students, who are on Main Campus? What are you going to do for them?
You argue that the SRC spends money on Falun Gong campaigns, thus "supporting the evil cult" and imparting warped ideology onto the student body. However, isn't your opinion of Falun Gong exactly the same thing? By the way, where is the evidence that Falun Gong is supported by the SRC & not the Unions Clubs & Socs program?
I wholeheartedly support your argument for an Equal Oppurtunities Officer to replace the Womens Officer - your argument for this and for the equal representation of men is clear and thought out.
I think you need to think rationally about the platform that you are going to campaign on and what you opponents are going to look at in shooting you down. Already you don't stand a good chance - I can't see USyd students ever voting in a student from the Con. With arguments that don't make sense I can't see you having much of a chance at all.
Your idea of taking action lies in the improvement of the Conservatorium - which is only natural considering that you are a Con student. However, what about the majority of the University's students, who are on Main Campus? What are you going to do for them?
You argue that the SRC spends money on Falun Gong campaigns, thus "supporting the evil cult" and imparting warped ideology onto the student body. However, isn't your opinion of Falun Gong exactly the same thing? By the way, where is the evidence that Falun Gong is supported by the SRC & not the Unions Clubs & Socs program?
I wholeheartedly support your argument for an Equal Oppurtunities Officer to replace the Womens Officer - your argument for this and for the equal representation of men is clear and thought out.
I think you need to think rationally about the platform that you are going to campaign on and what you opponents are going to look at in shooting you down. Already you don't stand a good chance - I can't see USyd students ever voting in a student from the Con. With arguments that don't make sense I can't see you having much of a chance at all.
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I don't support VSU. I've NEVER supported VSU. I'm just a bit more reserved about the current practices. I think that student community is incredibly important to the university experience, and that to lose it would be a tragedy. Student community DEFINES the university experience, and without the subsidised clubs and societies, cheaper food (theoretically), activities and concerts on campus and all the other stuff our student organisations are Supposed to provide, our unis would be no more than degree factories.
I do, however, believe that the fee is far too high at USYD, and that provisions should be made to defer payments - as the groups that are supposed to benefit most from student welfare (the poor and disadvantaged) are the ones who pay the highest percentage of their savings towards the student organisations. Because there is no incentive to become more cost effective, our student organisations have become incredibly wasteful, and the money that IS going into them is being wasted. Under my leadership, these wasteful programs would be cut. The latest Quah Report discusses the impact of these sorts of programs, and why if they had taken my advice years ago (yes, I've been writing the Quah Report for a LONG time), the VSU legislation wouldn't be so popular.
When it comes down to it though, what the SRC needs now is a President and a Council who accept the reality that nobody likes them, and can work to increase support of these organisations among the students they represent. This means abolishing collectives like the Global Solidarity Collective, and merging things like Welfare and Women's Collectives/Officers into combined portfolios. If the students affected are so upset about the cutting of funding to these collectives, they are more than welcome to get outside organisations involved in the student movement. The Democratic Socialist Party (Socialist Alliance) are a much better organisation to subsidise the work of Keep Left and other such groups on campus, than the students who may even disagree with their approaches.
Likewise, I will be addressing the child care issue with a different perspective. Yes, we most definitely need subsidised (if not free) childcare and healthcare on campus. But it should be the Government that provides the funding for these services - not the poor student who can't afford lunch because he had to pay his union fees - so I would urge our Government, or even large businesses who are looking to do good things for the community, to consider using their resources to ease the squeeze on the student's wallet. Over a few years, we might even be able to alleviate the cost off the student organisations onto these outside groups. It's this sort of work that students need - not fighting and protesting and vandalising.
So what it comes down to, is the fact that I will work, not fight for student rights. This means an approach that looks at student issues apolitically, and recognises that even though the Liberal Government are full of fuckers who want to take money from the grossly underfunded public school system and give it to the wankers at the Kings School, they still ARE the government.
And besides, I'm only technically a Con student now - for the last three semesters, my time has spent equally between the two campuses, and I am technically based in the Arts Music unit at the Seymour Centre on the Darlington side of main campus. My solutions come from my time on the fringes of the student community, and have been given much consideration as to how they could benefit all students. The thing is, it's not that I'm a Con student that has disadvantaged me in the past - but that I'm a Music student who isn't working towards a Law degree. This is something I will need to overcome.
As for the issue of Falun Gong, a number of Falun Gong protests were coordinated through the Global Solidarity Group of the SRC, and publicised through the Education Action Group. The Union has also been involved in the past, in providing funding to Falun Gong, and they too have received a number of protest letters from myself and others who share my concerns. My problem with supporting Falun Gong is that I have seen firsthand the results of their actions, which is why I refer to them specifically.
Fact is that even if it hurts my reputation - if I cannot be honest and upfront about my beliefs, then I am not suited to the responsibility of leading our student representative body.
I do, however, believe that the fee is far too high at USYD, and that provisions should be made to defer payments - as the groups that are supposed to benefit most from student welfare (the poor and disadvantaged) are the ones who pay the highest percentage of their savings towards the student organisations. Because there is no incentive to become more cost effective, our student organisations have become incredibly wasteful, and the money that IS going into them is being wasted. Under my leadership, these wasteful programs would be cut. The latest Quah Report discusses the impact of these sorts of programs, and why if they had taken my advice years ago (yes, I've been writing the Quah Report for a LONG time), the VSU legislation wouldn't be so popular.
When it comes down to it though, what the SRC needs now is a President and a Council who accept the reality that nobody likes them, and can work to increase support of these organisations among the students they represent. This means abolishing collectives like the Global Solidarity Collective, and merging things like Welfare and Women's Collectives/Officers into combined portfolios. If the students affected are so upset about the cutting of funding to these collectives, they are more than welcome to get outside organisations involved in the student movement. The Democratic Socialist Party (Socialist Alliance) are a much better organisation to subsidise the work of Keep Left and other such groups on campus, than the students who may even disagree with their approaches.
Likewise, I will be addressing the child care issue with a different perspective. Yes, we most definitely need subsidised (if not free) childcare and healthcare on campus. But it should be the Government that provides the funding for these services - not the poor student who can't afford lunch because he had to pay his union fees - so I would urge our Government, or even large businesses who are looking to do good things for the community, to consider using their resources to ease the squeeze on the student's wallet. Over a few years, we might even be able to alleviate the cost off the student organisations onto these outside groups. It's this sort of work that students need - not fighting and protesting and vandalising.
So what it comes down to, is the fact that I will work, not fight for student rights. This means an approach that looks at student issues apolitically, and recognises that even though the Liberal Government are full of fuckers who want to take money from the grossly underfunded public school system and give it to the wankers at the Kings School, they still ARE the government.
And besides, I'm only technically a Con student now - for the last three semesters, my time has spent equally between the two campuses, and I am technically based in the Arts Music unit at the Seymour Centre on the Darlington side of main campus. My solutions come from my time on the fringes of the student community, and have been given much consideration as to how they could benefit all students. The thing is, it's not that I'm a Con student that has disadvantaged me in the past - but that I'm a Music student who isn't working towards a Law degree. This is something I will need to overcome.
As for the issue of Falun Gong, a number of Falun Gong protests were coordinated through the Global Solidarity Group of the SRC, and publicised through the Education Action Group. The Union has also been involved in the past, in providing funding to Falun Gong, and they too have received a number of protest letters from myself and others who share my concerns. My problem with supporting Falun Gong is that I have seen firsthand the results of their actions, which is why I refer to them specifically.
Fact is that even if it hurts my reputation - if I cannot be honest and upfront about my beliefs, then I am not suited to the responsibility of leading our student representative body.
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Although phanatical doesn't believe in VSU I don't see how it is a catch 22. Maybe they support it on principle but would still join, or maybe they think they can do a better job of running it in a VSU environment then others can.ujuphleg said:
Also 'without any money' is a bit of a stretch, even going by WA models (which was ALOT tougher on unions then the federal VSU model).
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Perhaps his wish is to, through good financial management and minimisation of services which a large chunk of students don't agree with (eg protests against various government policies), make the SRC a more viable entity which will be cheaper to join (due to limitation to student advocacy services) and more appealing to students, and hence ensure its survival. Personally I will be joining the Union next year, because it provides services that I can see are of benefit to me, but I will not be joining the SRC because it uses most of my money for things I don't agree with, and I'm sure many students feel the same way.ujuphleg said:
