Girl, 12, 'approved for sex change' (2 Viewers)

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

^omfg. Please STFU.

there is fucking problem with people who use shit like "freedom, democracy, individualism" etc every time someone questions something is wrong with our society.

so STFU, and listen carefully your thick headed wanker.

if you think there is nothing wrong with what is happening to this girl you need to be institutionalized ASAP.

lol, one that harbors freedom.....what a joke. srsly what a fucking joke. we have lost more civil liberties in this century because of thick headed fucking idiots like you who havnt got the guts to question what is going on.
infact people like you probably watch CNN, BBC, FOX news day in daay out .....and prbably believe "our freedom is under attack"

im sick of idiots like you.

What the fuck is wrong with you

If this girl isn't granted the chance to change her gender she's going to live in misery as something totally discordant with how she sees her own personal identity.

If she was not allowed to go ahead with this and committed suicide in two years I'd point the finger at morons like you. Fuck.

 

[bigboyjames]

^CoSMic DoRiS^^,

are you reading what your typing? are you? srsly. you sound so pathetic.

she is going to commit suicide. she is fucking 12 for gods sake . TWELVE. whe the fuck did people at the age of twelve new anything about sex change/ hormones/ or anything along the lines.

she is at an age where most children arnt even sexually developed and wouldnt no anything about being attracted to the opposite sex.

if she was 18+ i simply wouldnt have questioned wtf she is doing. but she is 12. c'mon what has happened to us.

all this in the name of freedom as aMUSEd1977 has claimed?

i spit on this freedom that we are trying to show the world
this freedom that we are preaching to the rest of the world is pathetic, degrading and insulting.
shame on us. freedom. PFFT

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

^CoSMic DoRiS^^,

are you reading what your typing? are you? srsly. you sound so pathetic.

she is going to commit suicide. she is fucking 12 for gods sake . TWELVE. whe the fuck did people at the age of twelve new anything about sex change/ hormones/ or anything along the lines.

she is at an age where most children arnt even sexually developed and wouldnt no anything about being attracted to the opposite sex.

if she was 18+ i simply wouldnt have questioned wtf she is doing. but she is 12. c'mon what has happened to us.

all this in the name of freedom as aMUSEd1977 has claimed?

i spit on this freedom that we are trying to show the world
this freedom that we are preaching to the rest of the world is pathetic, degrading and insulting.
shame on us. freedom. PFFT

Oh, I see. So at twelve years old you're completely incapable of knowing anything about how you feel about your own body? Right. You are a moron. And you clearly don't remember puberty, or were a late bloomer. Twelve is by no means too early to be developing sexually.

By 18 it would be too late for this kind of gender reassignment to work properly. It needs to begin before the true onset of puberty.

Evidently the girl felt strongly enough about it to take it this far. What does that tell you?

And yes, you fucktard, it's very possible that someone in her emotional state might consider topping themselves if left in that state. It wouldn't be the first time.

It's her body, her choice, and what the fuck would you even know about it yourself? Are you a judge? Are you an expert on any of this? No? Then fuck off with your authoritarian "someone think of the children" bullshit.

 

[osamaelias]

Theres a famous porn star , he is a man but has the genitals of a lady. Ive forgetton his name. Something star. Dont know why i need to remeber it even but yep.

 

[kokodamonkey]

+ 1.

I love how people go apeshit automatically when kids and sexuality are mentioned in the same article. Never mind how the kid herself might feel. Oh, wait, we don't need to mind how the kid feels because her brain isn't developed enough to make her opinon about herself worth anything, right guys? Right?

Jesus. Think before you post, people. :/

exactly. she can't vote therefore she can't change her sex.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

exactly. she can't vote therefore she can't change her sex.

oh don't even go there. this is not even remotely the same thing.

 

[Kwayera]

exactly. she can't vote therefore she can't change her sex.

Who says the arbitrary age of 18 is appropriate for anything? Regardless, both she and her mother appealed to the courts, and the judge ruled in her favour. That's all there is to it.

 

[incentivation]

'Children have feelings about their body too you know. I mean the fact that they have barely hit puberty in most instances is irrelevant. We must empower children by providing them with the same abiltiy to make decisions, big decisions, about their life as with everyone else'

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

'Children have feelings about their body too you know. I mean the fact that they have barely hit puberty in most instances is irrelevant. We must empower children by providing them with the same abiltiy to make decisions, big decisions, about their life as with everyone else'

well, what does puberty necessarily have to do with it?

I'm not trying to suggest that children are always completely able to independently make big, life changing decisions on their own. But I do think it's wrong to say their opinions and feelings are worthless because they aren't legal adults or fully grown yet. We have to at least consider their feelings. At the end of the day, you are not the person living the experience. the child is. So listen to them, ffs.

 

[TacoTerrorist]

The child is twelve and thus does not have the capacity to fully understand the ramifications of her decision. Freedom of choice is one thing but letting a twelve year old have a sex change is ridiculous.

 

[withoutaface]

exactly. she can't vote therefore she can't change her sex.

I'll point out that this particular stage of the surgery is completely reversible. If it was irreversible before she reached at least 16 (preferably 18) I'd have an issue with it, though.

 

[scarybunny]

Is there any actual surgery involved, or is it all hormone therapy at this stage?

 

[your.knee]

just hormonal

Surgery to remove the womb and ovaries or build a penis cannot be done before the age of 18.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

Is there any actual surgery involved, or is it all hormone therapy at this stage?

All hormone therapy afaik.

I'm fully aware of the cognitive limitations of a 12 year old. I don't believe such limitations justify disregarding her wishes, which are clearly very strong and have been for years. When it comes to someone's own body, someone's own identity, everyone has the right to offer guidance but nobody but the person themselves has the right to make the final decision. Regardless of legal status.

 

[scarybunny]

I support this, I've decided.

I also like the fact that the mother fully supports the child's decision. I'm sure many parents would just reject it as a phase or send them to a counsellor.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

I'd actually like to ask the people who are against it something. If this was your daughter, what would you do? As a parent. How would you (or would you at all) offer your support, and at what point, if at all, would you allow her to go through with it (keeping in mind that the hormone therapy is much less effective after puberty).

Thoughts?

 

[MaNiElla]

^^ THIS.

If it's causing her this much trouble then Doris is right, she could end up committing suicide due to depression, anxiety, alienation etc. I don't understand what the big problem is. What does it matter to any of you whether she's a girl or a boy?

Yeah, if she really wants that sex change then just let her be.
But i dont know whether she'd be able to face or handle any complications, or any emotional issues that may arise at this young age.

 

[your.knee]

If this is her choice, I support her decision but I hope shes aware (and prepared) for the possible problems she may face in the future (e.g. harrassment at school).
I assume she would be because its a big decision to make, especially now with the media attention.
I hope everything turns out alright in the end for the girl because the emotional distress could have terrible consequences.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

Another question as well. Could someone outline exactly what they mean when they refer to emotional consequences? Because I have tended to get the feeling, when discussing this sort of thing, that people are prone to trot out the "emotional ramifications" argument without either thinking about what they actually are and what a 12 year old's true capacity is to handle them (not just assuming they can't), or elaborating about what they mean.

 

[your.knee]

Another question as well. Could someone outline exactly what they mean when they refer to emotional consequences? Because I have tended to get the feeling, when discussing this sort of thing, that people are prone to trot out the "emotional ramifications" argument without either thinking about what they actually are and what a 12 year old's true capacity is to handle them (not just assuming they can't), or elaborating about what they mean.

I support her decision but when I say emotional distress I mean that because of the media attention, people are prone to openly disagree with what she is doing. And then there may be the personal responses she gets from friends, family or people that know her, that is, if they know its her in the media. I mean, if she can decisively make such a big choice, surely she can handle the "emotional ramifications", right?
But then that goes with the other side of the argument too; they may see her as incapable of sensibly making a decision and therefore cannot emotionally handle the consequences.

I also think that because we will never know the FULL story that it makes it harder for me to support it or not. E.g. I see it as the girl making the decision by herself and I support that, but if the mother was pressuring her then I wouldn't support that.