IDF Flotilla Incident Official Thread (2 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

not at that resolution riet

at nearly any resolution. The big canister on top holding the paintballs is usually the giveaway.

 

[bazrah]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

Their reason for being there was to search the vessel. Sea Articles 42 and 51 of the United Nations Charter, Chapter VII

Plus the boat was owned by an Islamic organization, who just happen to be suspected of being a terrorist organization.

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

Their reason for being there was to search the vessel. Sea Articles 42 and 51 of the United Nations Charter, Chapter VII

ok

"Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations."

nothing there given that israel is not the UN, nor did they have permission from the UN

"Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security."

nothing there, given that israel was not acting in self defense

Did you even read that before you posted it?

Nothing more will be debated on this matter. BoS massive chinned zionists like riet will not derail this thread

 

[ibbi00]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

The delivering of aid to civilians isn't exactly an act of terror.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

Plus the boat was owned by an Islamic organization, who just happen to be suspected of being a terrorist organization.

Yeah honestly, I don't get it. Regardless of what happened after they got on board, they are clearly justified in wanting to search it. Should they not stop vessels going from columbia to mexico if they claim to be humanitarians? It's ridiculous. Try going through an airport and refusing to be searched because all your luggage is for humanitarian purposes. It is ridiculous.

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

at nearly any resolution. The big canister on top holding the paintballs is usually the giveaway.

could be anything dude. you can't tell at that resolution.

hell i wouldn't be able to tell if it was in front of me. we're not all massive chinned weapons experts - the people on the boat probably weren't either. perhaps they thought it was a real gun?

 

[ibbi00]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

Yeah honestly, I don't get it. Regardless of what happened after they got on board, they are clearly justified in wanting to search it. Should they not stop vessels going from columbia to mexico if they claim to be humanitarians? It's ridiculous. Try going through an airport and refusing to be searched because all your luggage is for humanitarian purposes. It is ridiculous.

They were searched before they departed from Cyprus so said illegal search is unwarranted.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

ok

"Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations."

nothing there given that israel is not the UN, nor did they have permission from the UN

"Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security."

nothing there, given that israel was not acting in self defense

Did you even read that before you posted it?

Nothing more will be debated on this matter. BoS massive chinned zionists like riet will not derail this thread

There are ongoing attacks on Israel, preventing weapons from going into Gaza is an act of self defence. See the So San incident.

Do you even think after you read things?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

They were searched before they departed from Cyprus so said illegal search is unwarranted.

by who?

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

Yeah honestly, I don't get it. Regardless of what happened after they got on board, they are clearly justified in wanting to search it. Should they not stop vessels going from columbia to mexico if they claim to be humanitarians? It's ridiculous. Try going through an airport and refusing to be searched because all your luggage is for humanitarian purposes. It is ridiculous.

IHH (İnsani Yardım Vakfı) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - a terrorist organisation you say? are you kidding me chin boy?

and israel has very little right to be blockading gaza in the first instance. if it was a ship bound for their shores - sure! but they should probably try to respond with less deadly force.

as it remained, an aid ship was destined for gaza, it was searched without provocation in international waters, a fight ensued, israel responded with force that was several orders of magnitude over what was justified. this is not the first instance of israel's super aggression

 

[kaz1]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

Can you prove it was illegal under international law?
Related: International Institute of Humanitarian Law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Piracy has been outlawed since them Jack Sparrow Pirates were around.

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

by who?

al qaeda

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

There are ongoing attacks on Israel, preventing weapons from going into Gaza is an act of self defence. See the So San incident.

Do you even think after you read things?

listen up mega chin, it says

"Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations."

Israel operated external to the UN, it did not have Security Council backing, there was no threat to international peace nor security.

 

[bazrah]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

The delivering of aid to civilians isn't exactly an act of terror.

If they wanted to deliver aid, they could have just done it over land through Egypt's border which was offered. The reason they went over water was because they had other aims aswell such as transporting people into Gaza. It's absolutely ridiculous to attempt to bring aid into Gaza without military protection.

 

[JonathanM]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

There are only three things people really need to take into account here:

1. That for all the world knew, the ships could have been carrying anything as far as the Israelis were concerned - they had the right to search vessels which could possibly be delivering weaponry to the Islamic terror organisation, Hamas. Even the delivery of basic "Hard Goods," such as concrete, which Israel has been blocking, would probably be partly used by Hamas to create bunkers and smuggling tunnels.

2. What kind of "peace activists" carry knives, crow-bars, flaming cocktails, pepper spray, stun grenades and handguns (as has so far been discovered amongst the 'activists' by the Israelis)? This has just been an elaborate propaganda attack on Israel.

3. The jury was out on Israel before the 'crime' had even been committed. Even if you don't like Israel you have to acknowledge the basic principle of "innocent until proven guilty" which, I'll remind you all, the Australian legal system operates under. A proper investigation hasn't even been launched yet, but already the world media is crying "massacre," "murder" and "attack" contrary to obvious evidence to the contrary (see below).

Life is pretty normal in Israel at the moment, (apart from a free Gaza protest I saw in the new city today, they were also saying Israel wasn't a democracy, which was amusing when they were practicing democracy by protesting in the first place) but most don't appreciate the magnitude of this event. The world has just over-stepped the boundary of having simple double-standards to being plain ridiculous.


And you can't deny raw video evidence:

YouTube - Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

YouTube - Demonstrators Use Violence Against Israeli Navy Soldiers Attempting to Board Ship (With Sound)

YouTube - Israeli Navy Soldier Describes the Violent Mob Aboard Mavi Marmara

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

if they wanted to deliver aid, they could have just done it over land through egypt's border which was offered. The reason they went over water was because they had other aims aswell such as transporting people into gaza. It's absolutely ridiculous to attempt to bring aid into gaza without military protection.

israel killed 19 civilians

 

[Optimus Prime]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

Israel is a member of the UN hence under article 51 it can defend itself holy fuck you guys are so set in your ways there's no point even discussing anything. If you honestly believe that we should just take anyone's word on what they are carrying you are a fucking moron.

 

[bazrah]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

israel killed 19 civilians

Ah yeah that number is disputed. I know it's quite sad if only the peace activists had just safely had all the aid transported over land instead of using the Palestinian people as a political puppet.

 

[ibbi00]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

If they wanted to deliver aid, they could have just done it over land through Egypt's border which was offered. The reason they went over water was because they had other aims aswell such as transporting people into Gaza. It's absolutely ridiculous to attempt to bring aid into Gaza without military protection.

It's more of a symbolic gesture that is supposed to lighten the mood in Gaza and bring cheer and joy to the innocent children of Gaza... And also, had the aid went through israeli routes then possibly half of the aid wouldn't make it in due to the strict rules imposed by paranoid israel. Cargo also contained reconstruction materials which are seemingly banned by israel.

Israel has never published a list of banned items but it has refused to allow into Gaza books, paper, blankets and reconstruction materials.

SOURCE

One boat is carrying a complete dental surgery including drills. Crayons and chocolate are also on board for Gazan children.

THE GUARDIAN

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

There are only three things people really need to take into account here:

1. That for all the world knew, the ships could have been carrying anything as far as the Israelis were concerned - they had the right to search vessels which could possibly be delivering weaponry to the Islamic terror organisation, Hamas. Even the delivery of basic "Hard Goods," such as concrete, which Israel has been blocking, would probably be partly used by Hamas to create bunkers and smuggling tunnels.

Israel had the right to search the vessels once they had entered their waters. Israel did not have the right to search them when they did. Nor did they have a right to use force in the first instant. Nor did they have the right to kill 19 people. Nor did they show any kind of restraint, research or regard. Israel has a right - some kind of right - to defend itself from actual threats. It does not have the right to use lethal force when dealing with what might be a thread, which turned out to be nothing more than an aid ship. which we all knew anyway.

2. What kind of "peace activists" carry knives, crow-bars, flaming cocktails, pepper spray, stun grenades and handguns (as has so far been discovered amongst the 'activists' by the Israelis)? This has just been an elaborate propaganda attack on Israel.

i have several knives in my kitchen drawer. you'll be pressed to find any ship without knives. or metal poles - especially given they were carrying construction equipment and given that it was a ship. i haven't heard anything about pepper spray, stun grenades or handguns being carried by the israelis so ill rightly assume you just made that up, as you no doubt did.

3. The jury was out on Israel before the 'crime' had even been committed. Even if you don't like Israel you have to acknowledge the basic principle of "innocent until proven guilty" which, I'll remind you all, the Australian legal system operates under. A proper investigation hasn't even been launched yet, but already the world media is crying "massacre," "murder" and "attack" contrary to obvious evidence to the contrary (see below).

NINETEEN CIVILIANS ARE DEAD

A proper investigation should be launched, but you don't need an investigation to criticise Israel for senseless murder. The only people not criticising it are bloodthirsy, biased, borderline retarded Zionists like yourself.

Life is pretty normal in Israel at the moment, (apart from a free gaza protest I saw in the new city today) but most don't appreciate the magnitude of this event. The world has just over-stepped the boundary of having simple double-standards to being plain ridiculous.

I think that shows how inhuman the people of Israel are, OR, the level of censorship they operate under, more than anything else.