Israel and Palestine (3 Viewers)

[umop 3pisdn]

Always is a very long time you know anyway, I actually agree. I like to think a long way from now the land will belong to the state of israel, represented equally by jews and palestinians.

And soon after, more palestinians than jews thanks to the wonders of demography

 

[Not-That-Bright]

more palestinians than jews thanks to the wonders of demography

Well I see it starting off as a two state solution with a fair amount of co-operation and only once such problems have begun to be disolved would they share any sort of government.

 

[Optophobia]

Followed by Soviet Union and its satellite states because Israel is more important to them than 30+ useless arabs states.

Oil is useless?

 

[Aryanbeauty]

Oil is useless?

Soviet Union produced more oil than arab states.

 

[onebytwo]

Soviet Union produced more oil than arab states.

wtf?

 

[HotShot]

The land will always belong to Israel, like it or not. God's promised land, legally given to Israel by UN , rightfully acquired with sweat and blood by brave Israeli soldiers will not be given to anyone, you can moan as much as you want like those hydrogen-peroxide bleached fake blonde whores in Beirut. Now you can go and cry for aussie lands to be given back to aborigines, that may be more fruitful for you.

The land wasnt 'given' by the UN. It was acquired through inhumane methods.
Its only cause of america that Israel exists, otherwise it would have been pretty much 'wiped' out as the iranians put it.

 

[PoliticalExile]

The land wasnt 'given' by the UN. It was acquired through inhumane methods.
Its only cause of america that Israel exists, otherwise it would have been pretty much 'wiped' out as the iranians put it.

The USSR created Israel.

1. USSR with Gormyko in the UN was the only nation advocating a Jewish state.
2. USSR was the first to grant legal recognition to Israel, de jure, to establish it.
3. USSR supplied Czech warplanes in 1948 to defend Israel.

4. Admiral Forrestal, chief of the US Dept. of Defense, opposed the creation of Israel. He was thrown out of a 20 story hospital window to his death in 1948.

It was only after Forrestal was killed, that the US could support Israel and USSR could pretend to support the Arabs.

In addition the USSR gave the Israelis all the intelligence to the Egyptian airfields for the 1968 war.

The USSR and the USA were both supporting Israel and carefully controlling the situation.
All through the 1950's-80's the USSR pretended to support the Arabs, but gave all the Arab intelligence to the Israelis.

The Arabs trusted the USSR, they didn't realize that Yuri Andropov head of KGB and Permier of the USSR was born Flekenstein, a Jew.

Israel was allegedly created, on paper, by UN 181.

http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/Documentlistpdf/ispaldoc1947.pdf

Chapter 2
Religious and Minority Rights


8. No expropriation of land owned by an Arab in the Jewish State (by a Jew in the Arab State) shall be allowed except for public purposes. In all cases of expropriation full compensation as fixed by the Supreme Court shall be paid previous to dispossession.

Of course the Stern Gang is not officially mentioned.

Israeli terrorism of British officers and administration was well documented.
The actual creation of Israel was very similar to the Bolshevist terrorism of Russia. In fact the same players were involved.

 

[S1M0]

The USSR created Israel.

1. USSR with Gormyko in the UN was the only nation advocating a Jewish state.
2. USSR was the first to grant legal recognition to Israel, de jure, to establish it.
3. USSR supplied Czech warplanes in 1948 to defend Israel.

4. Admiral Forrestal, chief of the US Dept. of Defense, opposed the creation of Israel. He was thrown out of a 20 story hospital window to his death in 1948.

It was only after Forrestal was killed, that the US could support Israel and USSR could pretend to support the Arabs.

In addition the USSR gave the Israelis all the intelligence to the Egyptian airfields for the 1968 war.

The USSR and the USA were both supporting Israel and carefully controlling the situation.
All through the 1950's-80's the USSR pretended to support the Arabs, but gave all the Arab intelligence to the Israelis.

The Arabs trusted the USSR, they didn't realize that Yuri Andropov head of KGB and Permier of the USSR was born Flekenstein, a Jew.

Israel was allegedly created, on paper, by UN 181.

http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/Documentlistpdf/ispaldoc1947.pdf



Of course the Stern Gang is not officially mentioned.

Israeli terrorism of British officers and administration was well documented.
The actual creation of Israel was very similar to the Bolshevist terrorism of Russia. In fact the same players were involved.

This explains a lot.

 

[zahn]

That is silly your all taking the whole thing out of context. Israel has been there for centuries before the rise palestine. Palestinian's and Israeli's have been waging war since before the birth of christ.

I mean if you think about it, it is all based upon religious differences.
Further the idea that Israel was created because of the UN is absolute NONESENSE.
I mean yeah the UN had a great impact after the Holocaust, but the country use to belong to them before the Palestinians. If you bothered to do some additional research you will discover the feud has lasted for centuries and that originally most of the habitants of Israel come from a jewish heritage. It is therefore clear that the land did traditionally belong to them.
Other than that I think the rest of the world should keep out of their conflict, because it has nothing to do with them.

 

[Martyno1]

-Who do you think is right
-Do you think its Israel's right to protect its citizens from "terrorists"
-Do you "support" Israel or Palestine
-Do you classify Palestinians as terrorists
-If Australia went to war against Israel or Palestine, would you support them?

1. Both equally right.
2. Yes ("protect")
3. Palestine.
4. No.
5. I don't support any countries in any wars.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

The USSR created Israel.

1. USSR with Gormyko in the UN was the only nation advocating a Jewish state.
2. USSR was the first to grant legal recognition to Israel, de jure, to establish it.
3. USSR supplied Czech warplanes in 1948 to defend Israel.

4. Admiral Forrestal, chief of the US Dept. of Defense, opposed the creation of Israel. He was thrown out of a 20 story hospital window to his death in 1948.

It was only after Forrestal was killed, that the US could support Israel and USSR could pretend to support the Arabs.

In addition the USSR gave the Israelis all the intelligence to the Egyptian airfields for the 1968 war.

The USSR and the USA were both supporting Israel and carefully controlling the situation.
All through the 1950's-80's the USSR pretended to support the Arabs, but gave all the Arab intelligence to the Israelis.

The Arabs trusted the USSR, they didn't realize that Yuri Andropov head of KGB and Permier of the USSR was born Flekenstein, a Jew.

Israel was allegedly created, on paper, by UN 181.

http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/Documentlistpdf/ispaldoc1947.pdf



Of course the Stern Gang is not officially mentioned.

Israeli terrorism of British officers and administration was well documented.
The actual creation of Israel was very similar to the Bolshevist terrorism of Russia. In fact the same players were involved.

Hotshot you still failed to provide evidence that USSR gave de facto recognition of Israel in november 1947 as you claimed earlier?

Why run away from your own lies you posted as facts. At least retract it if you dont have a source.

Still USA was the first to recognise Israel, within 11 minutes of declaration of Independence by Israel.

4. Admiral Forrestal, chief of the US Dept. of Defense, opposed the creation of Israel. He was thrown out of a 20 story hospital window to his death in 1948.It was only after Forrestal was killed, that the US could support Israel and USSR could pretend to support the Arabs.

More evidence of how history is twisted at Sheikh halily's madrassa. Forrestal was NOT even ADMIRAL :rofl: He reached 0-2 rank that is the 2nd lowest in US Navy Officer Rank. Once again arab lies exposed.

2ndly, He died on may 22, 1949 contradicting Hotshot's claim that US only support Israel after his death. Facts shows that US recognised israel de facto more than One year before Forrestal's death, and granted de jure recognition 5 months before Forrestal Death.

No wonder he still failed to produce any evidence to support himself or his sheikh lol

 

[PoliticalExile]

Israel was granted State de Jure recognition first by USSR in May 1948.
Israel then sent Ambassador Golda Meir to the USSR on June 1948.

Israel was granted State de Jure recognition first by USA in January 1949.
Israel then sent Ambassador Abba Eban to the USA on September 1950.

Proof is that Israel and the USSR exchanged Ambassadors, two full years before Israel did with the US.

Still USA was the first to recognise Israel,

No. Proof is 1.) Legal de jure on the documents. 2.) Ambassadors presenting credentials.

June 1948 Golda Meir was appointed Israel's first ambassador to the Soviet Union
www.zionism-israel.com/bio/golda_meir_biography.htm

September 1950 Abba Eban was appointed Israel's first ambassador to the U.S.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/11/Abba Eban

Eban recalls that when in September 1950 he presented his credentials as Israeli Ambassador to the United States.
www.diplomacy.edu/Language/Signalling/types.htm -
http://www.diplomacy.edu/Language/Signalling/types.htm

The proof that the USSR legally granted recognition to the State of Israel is in the fact that Israel sent an ambassador to the USSR in 1948, and only later in 1950 to the USA.

The USA had not legally granted the State of Israel legal recognition in 1948.

Clear proof that the fascist Zionist USSR was two full years ahead of supporting Israel. Why? Because the US President had to listen to the US public, 98% of which were not Zionists. While the Kremlin, being run by Zionist cabal, could easily disregard it's own people and support Israel two years before the US did.

The USSR was the first to legally recognize Israel. The US only informally recognized the Provisional Government, not the State.

de facto (in international law de facto means to recognize the government, but not the State)
de jure (in international law de jure means to legally recognize the nation State)

Forrestal was NOT even ADMIRAL

Just a small correction to your statement.

Forrestal was Secretary of the Navy.
Forrestal was Secretary of Defense (1947-1949)

http://www.history.navy.mil/ar/foxtrot/forrestal.htm

17 Sep 1947, James Forrestal became the first secretary of defense

http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/bios/forrestal.htm

2ndly, He died on may 22, 1949 contradicting Hotshot's claim that US only support Israel after his death. Facts shows that US recognised israel de facto more than One year before Forrestal's death, and granted de jure recognition 5 months before Forrestal Death.

The issue with Forrestal is not legal recognition, as he was not in the State Department.

The issue with Forrestal is he had the ability to militarily defend Israel and refused, forcing the Jewish State to again rely on the fascist USSR to supply military aircraft in the summer of 1948. Which looks like really bad Public Relations for Israel as the USSR had alreadly killed 20 million innocent civilian Caucasian, women and children in Death Camps before 1940: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

USSR supplied Israel with it's first fighter planes.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/images/messer.jpg

Zionist Stalin and Zionist USSR gave Israel fighter planes from the USSR arsenal
(Czechoslovakia was under USSR military occupation, so these "Czech" fighter aircraft were legally USSR fighter aircraft)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/avia.html

Forrestal had the power to deny military support for Israel and did. He was killed.

"Forrestal, -Secretary of State George C.] Marshall, -Under-Secretary of State Robert] Lovett, the State Department, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff were all agreed that a war in the Middle East into which American troops might be drawn, loss of Arab friendship, and long-range turbulence in the whole region were too high a price to pay for a Jewish state."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/07/14/DI2006071400780.html?nav=topnav

Truman didn't grant Israel legal recognition before the USSR. Truman didn't want the US to even militarily support Israel.

It seems that Truman rejected Clifford's suggestion to recognize a Jewish state on the 13th, and did not quite make an explicit decision about recognition when the mandate ran out. Lovett had pointed out that the UN General Assembly was meeting at US request to discuss the future government of Palestine, and that it would seem improper if the US forced the outcome of the debate by recognizing the state while it was going on.

Truman inserted the word provisional before the word government which means not a full legal State. Also the document read de facto which means informal, as it was officially outside the State Department, recognition, which would require de jure, or legal, recognition, not of the State of Israel but only of it's Provisional Government. Proof of de facto was that Israel could not send an Ambassador to the US State Dept for two full years because Truman signed a de facto document and not a de jure document, therefore Israel and the US could not exchange Ambassadors. There was no legal recognition.

Israel as a State was not legally recognized by the US until January 1949, a year after the USSR legally recognized it on May 17th, 1948.

Forrestal, as Secretary of Defense, refused to militarily support Israel in 1948, so the USSR continuted it's military support with fighter aircraft from the USSR controlled arsenal.

Then the Zionists threw Forrestal out the window to his death at the Navy hospital, and the US could begin military support for Israel and the USSR could then pretend to be the friend of the Arabs, while really helping Israel the entire time.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

Israel was granted State de Jure recognition first by USSR in May 1948.
Israel then sent Ambassador Golda Meir to the USSR on June 1948.

Israel was granted State de Jure recognition first by USA in January 1949.
Israel then sent Ambassador Abba Eban to the USA on September 1950.

Proof is that Israel and the USSR exchanged Ambassadors, two full years before Israel did with the US.


No. Proof is 1.) Legal de jure on the documents. 2.) Ambassadors presenting credentials.

June 1948 Golda Meir was appointed Israel's first ambassador to the Soviet Union
www.zionism-israel.com/bio/golda_meir_biography.htm

September 1950 Abba Eban was appointed Israel's first ambassador to the U.S.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/11/Abba%20Eban


The proof that the USSR legally granted recognition to the State of Israel is in the fact that Israel sent an ambassador to the USSR in 1948, and only later in 1950 to the USA.

The USA had not legally granted the State of Israel legal recognition in 1948.

Hotshot you still failed to provide evidence that USSR granted de facto recognistion of Israel in november 1947 as YOU STATED. Are you conceding that you made it up now?

Clear proof that the fascist Zionist USSR was two full years ahead of supporting Israel. Why? Because the US President had to listen to the US public, 98% of which were not Zionists. While the Kremlin, being run by Zionist cabal, could easily disregard it's own people and support Israel two years before the US did.

Source of your statistic?

Or is It taken from Quran? They may not be zionist but they are the most hardened supporter of zionism which is Sweet

The USSR was the first to legally recognize Israel. The US only informally recognized the Provisional Government, not the State.

de facto (in international law de facto means to recognize the government, but not the State)
de jure (in international law de jure means to legally recognize the nation State)

More lies from Quran or Shiekh Halily.

From US President Harry S truman's own library :

President Truman meeting on May 8, 1951 with Prime Minister David Ben Gurion of Israel and Abba Eban. They presented the menorah as a token of esteem for President Truman's timely recognition of the State of Israel on May 14, 1948. http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/israel.htm

whereas you don't have any proof to support your own lies.

Just a small correction to your statement.

Forrestal was Secretary of the Navy.
Forrestal was Secretary of Defense (1947-1949)

http://www.history.navy.mil/ar/foxtrot/forrestal.htm

17 Sep 1947, James Forrestal became the first secretary of defense

http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/bios/forrestal.htm

You did not correct anything, he was never an Admiral he was only the 2nd lowest rank in the navy as an active officer. Secretary of Navy and Secretary of Defense are NOT military post but rather Civilian posts. And where is your source that he was an Admiral? Sheikh halily chapter 5 eh? :rofl:

The issue with Forrestal is not legal recognition, as he was not in the State Department.

Contradicting his first claim that he was killed because he opposed creation of Israel.

Forrestal had the power to deny military support for Israel and did. He was killed.

Source where Forrestal denied military support for Israel or Sheikh halily chapter 6?

Truman didn't grant Israel legal recognition before the USSR. Truman didn't want the US to even militarily support Israel.

Truman inserted the word provisional before the word government which means not a full legal State. Also the document read de facto which means informal, as it was officially outside the State Department, recognition, which would require de jure, or legal, recognition, not of the State of Israel but only of it's Provisional Government.

The government was provisional because it was not an elected government, hence a provisional government until elections were held. Like it or not Harry S truman said it his own word and recognised the state of Israel. You cannot recognise a government and not recognise the existence of a state. Government, Territory and people are the three basic component of a state, if you ever learned Political science in Madrassa.

The President said: “It was one of the proudest moments of my life at 6:12 P.M.; Friday, May 14, when I announced the recognition of the new State of Israel by the Government of the United States.” This he wrote a few days ago, in a public message to the Zionist Convention in Pittsburgh.​

http://hnn.us/articles/24559.html

Oh yes The President went to Zionist Convention is Pittsburgh not an arab terrorist convention :rofl:

Yes he announced recognition of new State of Israel on may 14, the same day Israel got its independence

​

Then the Zionists threw Forrestal out the window to his death at the Navy hospital, and the US could begin military support for Israel and the USSR could then pretend to be the friend of the Arabs, while really helping Israel the entire time.

You just need source to back yourself up or is it Sheikh halily Chapter 7?

 

[S1M0]

That is silly your all taking the whole thing out of context. Israel has been there for centuries before the rise palestine. Palestinian's and Israeli's have been waging war since before the birth of christ.

I mean if you think about it, it is all based upon religious differences.
Further the idea that Israel was created because of the UN is absolute NONESENSE.
I mean yeah the UN had a great impact after the Holocaust, but the country use to belong to them before the Palestinians. If you bothered to do some additional research you will discover the feud has lasted for centuries and that originally most of the habitants of Israel come from a jewish heritage. It is therefore clear that the land did traditionally belong to them.
Other than that I think the rest of the world should keep out of their conflict, because it has nothing to do with them.

But the Israelis didn't live in that land till they came out of Egypt. It belonged to the Canaanites until then. However, yes they have lived in Israel for a long,long time. But it wasn't really theirs in the absalute first place.

 

[Indian Princess]

But the Israelis didn't live in that land till they came out of Egypt. It belonged to the Canaanites until then. However, yes they have lived in Israel for a long,long time. But it wasn't really theirs in the absalute first place.

You said you are a christian yet it seems to me that you do not read the bible properly. Abraham, his son Isaac and his grandson Jacob who was renamed Israel by God and that is where the word Israel derived its origin. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and his twelve sons all lived in Israel until they moved to Egypt where one of Jacob's son Joseph was the Prime Minister under Pharaoh.

Cannaan was god's gift to jews according to the Bible and as a christian you cannot dispute that, if you believe in the bible of course.

Cannan was God's gift to Jews according to Quran. Quran expressly stated that the Holy Land is given by the Lord to the Jews for their dominion (not arabs)

Mohammed in Sura 5:21 quotes Moses telling the Jews to "enter into the holy land which Allah has assigned to you". While Mohammed later criticizes the Jews for their sins and their refusal to accept Mohammed's message, he never says that, as punishment, Allah has revoked their title to the land. Hence the title still stands, and Muslim anti-Zionists are apostates.

That is for religious people, from a religious point of view.

Legally, it is a land assigned to them by international community, through UN resolution. Expanded by force through the hard work and bravery of israeli soldiers (thanks to arabs cowardice, disunity and greed)

 

[JaredR]

Suspected vice squad of Muslim militants targeting Gaza Internet cafes, music shops

KHAN YUNIS - A note stuck to the door of his tiny music shop warned Mohammed al-Shaer several months ago that selling tapes and CDs of popular Arabic music was haram, or forbidden by Islam.

Al-Shaer paid no heed until a bomb went off outside his business this week - apparently the work of what Palestinian security officials now suspect may be a secret vice squad of Muslim militants.

In recent months, about three dozen Internet cafes, music shops and even pharmacies have been attacked, with assailants detonating small bombs outside businesses at night, causing damage but no injuries.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/833956.html

Who really is Palestine's enemy? These persons are trying to westernise their own area and cannot - these militants do not want progression.

 

[lambeychops]

bah get back onto track..
im doing an assignment on human rights and was going to choose terrioism.. ?
anyone care to help?
cheers
ps: keep the love your not children stop bagging each other

 

[HotShot]

bah get back onto track..
im doing an assignment on human rights and was going to choose terrioism.. ?
anyone care to help?
cheers
ps: keep the love your not children stop bagging each other

Exactly how do the two relate?

 

[JayB]

political, just a question. the technical definition of a fascist is An adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views.

the USSR was notoriously socialist, the name itself stood for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, socialism being a notoriously left wing ideology. so how do you classify the soviets as fascist? im sure the criteria must be more than just killing people?

 

[HotShot]

political, just a question. the technical definition of a fascist is An adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views.

the USSR was notoriously socialist, the name itself stood for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, socialism being a notoriously left wing ideology. so how do you classify the soviets as fascist? im sure the criteria must be more than just killing people?

wtf are you talking about??