iSplicer
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You can write your university thesis on pens =)
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I used that Flexion or whatever by Papermate I think?
It's a fully erasable pen, LOL!
I erased a lot during my half yearlies actually.
Although on the flip side, it could be detrimental, someone could just rub out your whole exam. :/
It's a fully erasable pen, LOL!
I erased a lot during my half yearlies actually.
Although on the flip side, it could be detrimental, someone could just rub out your whole exam. :/
Kwayera
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Oh lol you're right, I stand corrected. I've been in uni too long
All this discussion re writing instruments.
What about handwriting. From my observation present day handwriting is generally attrocious. One of the problems is the grips adopted. I have been shocked at the multiplicity of grips . . mostly 'wrong'. And nowadays students don't know how to do running writing; you need running writing for speed.
I am not talking beautiful handwriting here. I am talking about how one can write quickly and legibly. When you can do this it can save you perhaps 10 to 20 mins in a 2-hr paper. Won't that help you greatly?
As I've mentioned elsewhere before I'd be happy to organise an affordable small-group handwriting workshop if there is any interest.
What about handwriting. From my observation present day handwriting is generally attrocious. One of the problems is the grips adopted. I have been shocked at the multiplicity of grips . . mostly 'wrong'. And nowadays students don't know how to do running writing; you need running writing for speed.
I am not talking beautiful handwriting here. I am talking about how one can write quickly and legibly. When you can do this it can save you perhaps 10 to 20 mins in a 2-hr paper. Won't that help you greatly?
As I've mentioned elsewhere before I'd be happy to organise an affordable small-group handwriting workshop if there is any interest.
clo-ree
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Bad OCD.. I write things over and over until there perfect. I rip it up if one word looks messy. So I get to type my exams.
I suck at running writing x.x!
ohNivlek
You are not the only on to suck at running writing; most are. In this day of high computer usage people think handwriting is no longer relevant. But whether you like it or not your HSC exams are done in your handwriting. So if you can write quickly and legibly it helps. So say instead of being able to write 7 pages for essay-type answers, you may be able to do 9. Also legible handwriting is less 'annoying' to the markers, since they have often to figure out what some of the badly written words are. Speed is often achieved at the expense of legibility. But speed & legibility need not be entirely mutually exclusive.
Prob the best time to learn good handwriting is around Yrs 1 to 3. I suspect most wrong grips were developed in the childcare/kindy years. Most younger teachers, not themselves good at handwriting, are not aware of the 'importance' of handwriting and do not know how to teach it. The fact no one mentions handwriting as a problem area and a means of improving your HSC performance speaks volumes.
My own area of expertise is maths; not handwriting. I have no formal qualification in hanwriting education but then again it is just common sense. I have been appalled by my maths students' handwriting and the way they write. But I must say once a bad habit is developed, it is very hard to correct it.
I wish I could be before a group of interested students to demonstrate how running writing is faster than the common practice today of letter-by-letter writing.
You are not the only on to suck at running writing; most are. In this day of high computer usage people think handwriting is no longer relevant. But whether you like it or not your HSC exams are done in your handwriting. So if you can write quickly and legibly it helps. So say instead of being able to write 7 pages for essay-type answers, you may be able to do 9. Also legible handwriting is less 'annoying' to the markers, since they have often to figure out what some of the badly written words are. Speed is often achieved at the expense of legibility. But speed & legibility need not be entirely mutually exclusive.
Prob the best time to learn good handwriting is around Yrs 1 to 3. I suspect most wrong grips were developed in the childcare/kindy years. Most younger teachers, not themselves good at handwriting, are not aware of the 'importance' of handwriting and do not know how to teach it. The fact no one mentions handwriting as a problem area and a means of improving your HSC performance speaks volumes.
My own area of expertise is maths; not handwriting. I have no formal qualification in hanwriting education but then again it is just common sense. I have been appalled by my maths students' handwriting and the way they write. But I must say once a bad habit is developed, it is very hard to correct it.
I wish I could be before a group of interested students to demonstrate how running writing is faster than the common practice today of letter-by-letter writing.
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iRuler
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I use to have what you can call almost "perfect" handwriting with speed, I learnt this even before I started school, because when I came over to Australia, I was in kindergarden, the teachers said you have to write letter-by-lettet crap, I got in a lot of trouble for writing hand writing, during year 2, we were learning how to Write hand writing and again the stupid teacher didn't let me write in my own "neat" way, she said I wasn't allowed to do my own style in high school, so I was forced to learn a new style which I hated... which goes to show how bad my hand writing is today, even thought I'm fast but it's extremly un readable lol, I blame it on my year 2 teacher, feel like kicking her ass!!!
Sinophile:
I just went to see a specialist yesterday and was charged $155 for 20 mins consultation. Made me feel I was not worth much even tho I doubt he'd have been as good as me when he did his HSC. So @ $2 for a few hours that'll make me feel even worse.
Quite seriously tho, if you can organise 5 to 10 people and a venue, I'd be happy to do so for $19.99. If you realise how useful it could be you'd realise its value for you.
Ni shi bu shi huaren ne ??
I just went to see a specialist yesterday and was charged $155 for 20 mins consultation. Made me feel I was not worth much even tho I doubt he'd have been as good as me when he did his HSC. So @ $2 for a few hours that'll make me feel even worse.
Quite seriously tho, if you can organise 5 to 10 people and a venue, I'd be happy to do so for $19.99. If you realise how useful it could be you'd realise its value for you.
Ni shi bu shi huaren ne ??
iRuler
Yea. Kick her ass.
As a child you should firstly learn how to hold the pen/pencil. Then you should learn how to form the letters properly. Then you should learn to write letter by letter neatly, usually with the help of specially ruled excersise book so that your writing is in a neat horizontal formation and your letters do not drift randomly from font-size 9 to 16.
When you are old enough, you learn running writing.
NSW (Australia) appears to have adopted the Foundation script. I was horrified. It's crap! All those angular letters.
Most younger generation teachers, not knowing how to hand write themselves, can hardly be the ones to teach you. Can the blind lead the blind? Those who know have mostly retired.
Yea. Kick her ass.
As a child you should firstly learn how to hold the pen/pencil. Then you should learn how to form the letters properly. Then you should learn to write letter by letter neatly, usually with the help of specially ruled excersise book so that your writing is in a neat horizontal formation and your letters do not drift randomly from font-size 9 to 16.
When you are old enough, you learn running writing.
NSW (Australia) appears to have adopted the Foundation script. I was horrified. It's crap! All those angular letters.
Most younger generation teachers, not knowing how to hand write themselves, can hardly be the ones to teach you. Can the blind lead the blind? Those who know have mostly retired.
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iRuler
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^^
yea... I learnt how to write when I was about 3, and the writing thing back then was if u write messy u get hit lol, or shouted at... but I was an excellent writer until year 2... too late to change now... I tree to last year, got very neat but took 2x the time to write like let's at a paragraph, so I gave up after a month lol, it's even messier then before now *cry*
yea... I learnt how to write when I was about 3, and the writing thing back then was if u write messy u get hit lol, or shouted at... but I was an excellent writer until year 2... too late to change now... I tree to last year, got very neat but took 2x the time to write like let's at a paragraph, so I gave up after a month lol, it's even messier then before now *cry*
iRuler
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sorry... quick reply button made it do a double post...
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Have you been 'properly' guided? I'm just curious and would love to have a small group to trial it out. I'm painfully aware of the difficulties. But I take it you agree it'd be good to be able to write effortlessly and quickly. It used to be so; no drama. But now it seems so hard. Many of my maths students I tried to change keep reverting to their "bad old ways" although I have one that has quite dramatically improved (yr 10 now) although from time to time lapse back to his old ways. When I see someone improve following my prodding I feel a great sense of joy & fulfillment.
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iRuler
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by properly guided do you mean like having been shown how to hold a pen, how to form the curves of the letters, how to join then up etc...? if yes, I have, I learnt all that before I even started school in Australia, but like I said I was restricted to write the way the Australian people did, I seriously hate my year 2 teacher... it's all her fault I write bad now...
Also when I was about 3-4 years old I had already learnt the maths up to the year 4-6 level taught here in public schools, this was before I came here, which shows why I found junior public school sooo boring
Also when I was about 3-4 years old I had already learnt the maths up to the year 4-6 level taught here in public schools, this was before I came here, which shows why I found junior public school sooo boring
iRuler
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another error for double post... please Mods check it out... Kinda annoying
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thisnameistaken
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i use to tape heavy duty batteries to my pen, to condition my hand into writing faster, it messed up my handwriting so i stopped
i use this bic, velocity pen now for school + studying
for maths and physics i use mechanical pens
for exams i use this type of asian pen my friend gave me, makes me write .5 times faster :S
i use this bic, velocity pen now for school + studying
for maths and physics i use mechanical pens
for exams i use this type of asian pen my friend gave me, makes me write .5 times faster :S
iRuler . . . . I share your sentiment.
If you are in my area I'd certainly like to meet with you and see if you are indeed not "redeemable". I'm just dying to find out.
From your description you're prob Asian with pushy parents. Local "Anglo" parents are more relaxed about things. I've many crap maths students and I attribute this to the poor preparation in primary school. Primary school teachers are often themselves weak in maths so what can you expect. The education system sets the bar very low . . . up to yr 10. Imagine even yr 8 students have not mastered the 12 x 12 multiplication table. I once had a yr 11 2U maths student who could not tell me what 7x8 is. Why bother when there is the calculator! They reckon in this day and age this is no longer important. They are wrong if they think this way. And these are people who are supposed to have gone thru some Education programme @ Uni to ensure they are qualified to teach maths as well.
If you are in my area I'd certainly like to meet with you and see if you are indeed not "redeemable". I'm just dying to find out.
From your description you're prob Asian with pushy parents. Local "Anglo" parents are more relaxed about things. I've many crap maths students and I attribute this to the poor preparation in primary school. Primary school teachers are often themselves weak in maths so what can you expect. The education system sets the bar very low . . . up to yr 10. Imagine even yr 8 students have not mastered the 12 x 12 multiplication table. I once had a yr 11 2U maths student who could not tell me what 7x8 is. Why bother when there is the calculator! They reckon in this day and age this is no longer important. They are wrong if they think this way. And these are people who are supposed to have gone thru some Education programme @ Uni to ensure they are qualified to teach maths as well.
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