I am thinking that is raw marks since that is the only marks with which UAC is provided.Your results, including your UAI if you are eligible, will also be held on similar archives at tertiary admissions centres in other states in Australia.
Nevermind it is also exempt in Tasmania, as Im assuming it is transmitted in confidence. Might be worth a shot anyway since you dont get charged the fee if it can't be provided in Tasmania (they will give you an estimate of costings first).Xayma said:I am thinking that is raw marks since that is the only marks with which UAC is provided.
Wouldn't the information contained in other states hence fall under their own FOI act? Although VTAC isn't listed as an agency for Victoria, I can't find any refrence protecting the University of Tasmania's records (granted I can't currently find more than an information sheet, at the moment) also of interest would be the other states, which also serves as the admission centre. Charles Darwin University (NT's admission centre) won't work because it isn't accessible through the state in which we got it.
The main problem is that it might all be similar to NT's. In that as the information can't be gotten through NSW jurisdiction it might become exempt under their acts due to it originating here.
The Universities Admissions Centre (NSW & ACT) Pty Ltd is a private company (ASIC listing) that is owned by another company, UniProjects Pty Ltd, which is in turn jointly owned by all or most NSW universities: Nature and Scope of UAC.Xayma said:The UAC is not a university though.
The only thing is that it's primary function is directly related to unversities.
Yes, but each FOI Act includes an exemption for documents that could potentially prejudice relations between States or that were communicated in confidence between States.Xayma said:Wouldn't the information contained in other states hence fall under their own FOI act?
I didn't receive this impression - my interpretation was that rather than there being a single national database that is administered by the Commonwealth, there is a series of consistent and near-identical State databases.Xayma said:Since the database they talk about is a national database.
I actually haven't approached UAC or the universities in relation to any of this yet, because we just haven't discovered any viable avenues. There are a couple of ideas that I am currently working on, but I doubt any action will be taken there for at least a few months. There's no point wasting time and effort in pursuing an avenue that has only a remote chance of success.Captain pi said:I think James has tried to just get more scaling data, and failed. I think UAC are even more unwilling than the Board of Studies.
One of the avenues I have been considering is a request for all "personal information" (including scaled HSC marks) under the Privacy and Personal Information Protection Act 1998 (NSW). There are a number of obstacles that would need to be surmounted in order for this to be successful, but it seems to be worth investigating at least.Captain pi said:You could always write to them, of course. I am guessing they would allow you to view your name and sex, for instance. (I don't know whether they'd spend so much money to bother, though.)
That was the impression I got off the VTAC site but after posting, the other sites confirmed what you were saying.Lazarus said:I didn't receive this impression - my interpretation was that rather than there being a single national database that is administered by the Commonwealth, there is a series of consistent and near-identical State databases.
are they actually able to do that with freedom of information and stuff?Lazarus said:1) The Board has realised that we can accurately estimate raw band cut-offs by splicing together raw and aligned marks from different students. As a result, they have simply put a blanket ban on all future disclosures of raw marks. [Edit: This now appears to be the case.]
~ ReNcH ~ said:So what exactly do we have to do to get an FOI application through successfully?
Lazarus said:I agree with Captain pi.
The legal costs would (roughly) be:
$30 initial application fee (BOS)
$40 internal review fee (BOS)
$55 external review fee (ADT)
But once that was done, if successful, any student would be able to obtain their marks with just the initial fee of $30.
And here's the foi form.Lazarus said:If they reject your initial application, you would just need to write to them requesting an internal review ("I write to request an internal review of the decision made on X December 2005 by Joe Bloggs ..."), with the internal review fee attached. They're obliged to give you instructions and assistance if you need it.
If the outcome of the internal review reaffirms the original decision, you just need to fill out the ADT's application form and send it off (again with the fee). Although an appeal to the ADT will require you to make appearances and so on... might be worth finding a friend who does law at that stage.