-
Finished your HSC? Check out our University Discussion, Non-School forums or help out next year's HSC students! -
YOU can help the next generation of students in the community! Share your trial papers and notes on our Notes & Resources page
Saudi religious police ban red roses for valentine's day (no joke) lol (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter chicky_pie
- Start date
Ba'al Shem Tov
يهوه هو الرب
- Joined
- Jul 30, 2007
- Messages
- 148
- Gender
- Male
- HSC
- N/A
Dear Islam,
Myself and fellow Islamist worshippers disagree with how our Mosque is being run. How would one settle this?
Regards,
C.M.A.F
(Concerned Muslims Against Freedom)
----
Dear Believer,
The best solution would be to take up arms and shoot those fellow believers of your Mosque who disagree with you.
Regards,
Generic Islamist Iman.
Myself and fellow Islamist worshippers disagree with how our Mosque is being run. How would one settle this?
Regards,
C.M.A.F
(Concerned Muslims Against Freedom)
----
Dear Believer,
The best solution would be to take up arms and shoot those fellow believers of your Mosque who disagree with you.
Regards,
Generic Islamist Iman.
Of course, ultimately our understanding in and of its self never changes the final result, whether we choose to believe the reason global warming occurs is because the omnipotent invisible spaghetti monster has decided to heat the place up as a punishment or we say it's from our pumping of carbon into the atmosphere, the end result will still be the same... But let's say we want to effect that end result - If we start sitting around and singing hymns to the flying spaghetti monster we will be wasting our time.bassistx said:
Respect-wise.... I doubt the Arab culture would be respected more than the Islamic religion. If an Arab was Christian, it still wouldn't matter much except that they'd wear a cross. That's what I mean. The mentality is still the same, the only difference is that one goes to a church and the other, who is more 'religious', goes to the mosque. They're still assholes, either way. When it comes to women's rights, it doesn't matter which religion you believe in. They all degrade women. So don't pray to anyone/thing 
I'm talking about men here, btw lol. Arab men disgust me.
I'm talking about men here, btw lol. Arab men disgust me.
What I was saying is that we need to understand that it's a cultural problem and not give it some special categorisation as 'religious'. Then I believe you were explaining that basically in the end such categorisations don't matter because they're still doing the same thing (i.e. being inbred or whatever). My point is then that unless you properly identify the problem you're probably not going to have a workable solution.
There was never a solution, there never will be.
That's why it doesn't matter which category is falls under.
What's the solution to culture? Genocide?
What's the solution to religion? Burn all the books, perhaps? They'll just retaliate.
I'm telling you, I've lived this for the past 17 years, I think I know that it's simply hopeless.
That's why it doesn't matter which category is falls under.
What's the solution to culture? Genocide?
What's the solution to religion? Burn all the books, perhaps? They'll just retaliate.
I'm telling you, I've lived this for the past 17 years, I think I know that it's simply hopeless.
I don't think there is a religious solution because I don't think any of these things come about by any sort of divine means and are more just given the label of religion to protect them from outside criticism. Of course I have no ultimate solution (perhaps some ideas that could lead to a slightly better situation, i.e. Secular western schools set up in poorer parts of the world), but I do definately know that if there is one then understanding the problem will help discover it.
You're so cool, calm, and collected.
Lucky bastard.
They're setting up Christian schools. Think WorldVision. Worship Christ, we'll give you food. Anybody going to say no? I don't think so.
The mentality will never change. I'm talking about older people. Generation Y is fine, nothing to worry about there. But older generations are pressuring younger ones to follow what they and their ancestors have been following for aeons.
The solution is to completely abandon your family. It's sad, but it's the only way you'll live without being forced into a marriage or something.
You can't move out 'til you're married. And you can't marry anyone who isn't from your background and your religion.
You can't just change these things. My parents are both educated, with university degrees (dad went back for his masters, but then dropped out because it was too much theory, not enough hands-on). My father is an engineer. He travelled the world in his college days. He's been everywhere.
My mother's a horticulturalist.
They're not dumb. But they're narrow-minded.
I was watching the Vicar of Dibley yesterday laughing like an idiot, almost splitting my sides and my dad said a million times "That's haram" because they were "making fun of the prophets".
Grrr.
Lucky bastard.
They're setting up Christian schools. Think WorldVision. Worship Christ, we'll give you food. Anybody going to say no? I don't think so.
The mentality will never change. I'm talking about older people. Generation Y is fine, nothing to worry about there. But older generations are pressuring younger ones to follow what they and their ancestors have been following for aeons.
The solution is to completely abandon your family. It's sad, but it's the only way you'll live without being forced into a marriage or something.
You can't move out 'til you're married. And you can't marry anyone who isn't from your background and your religion.
You can't just change these things. My parents are both educated, with university degrees (dad went back for his masters, but then dropped out because it was too much theory, not enough hands-on). My father is an engineer. He travelled the world in his college days. He's been everywhere.
My mother's a horticulturalist.
They're not dumb. But they're narrow-minded.
I was watching the Vicar of Dibley yesterday laughing like an idiot, almost splitting my sides and my dad said a million times "That's haram" because they were "making fun of the prophets".
Grrr.
MaNiElla
Active Member
- Joined
- Feb 19, 2007
- Messages
- 1,853
- Gender
- Undisclosed
- HSC
- N/A
bassistx said:
I feel so sorry for you :'( You poor thing.
Im so glad my parents are not as cracked up in the head as yours, and that me and all the people i know have normal, liberated parents.
Oh, and really, lol at your dad, I think that he was born mentally stupid, and maybe bought his degree
Not like you're any better though
Last edited:
SashatheMan
StudyforEver
If i read this a few years ago, i would hastly respond with my out most insults and hate for the country and the islamic religion.
however i have since attempted to put my self in the shoes of a cultural anthropologist and look afresh at this type of news.
I grew to understand that different cultures may organise the way a man and a woman meet and marry differently to the western countries. Speaking again as an anthropologist would i would say that subjectively their practise can be good.
Personally growing up in a western country, i could not see my freedom being being removed from being able to choose my partner or be on dates with her.
But i really think that when a country or a culture develops something like that Saudi police which decides what should be banned on mere whims and speaks for all people without their say, it is destrucive and damaging to the human race.
This story about the banning of roses might be laughable at the total stupidity it expresses, but the problem is much deeper. this religious police has long tred all over human identity or basic freedoms. It is dangerous, backwards and as long as it has oil within its borders will remain unquestioned.!
however i have since attempted to put my self in the shoes of a cultural anthropologist and look afresh at this type of news.
I grew to understand that different cultures may organise the way a man and a woman meet and marry differently to the western countries. Speaking again as an anthropologist would i would say that subjectively their practise can be good.
Personally growing up in a western country, i could not see my freedom being being removed from being able to choose my partner or be on dates with her.
But i really think that when a country or a culture develops something like that Saudi police which decides what should be banned on mere whims and speaks for all people without their say, it is destrucive and damaging to the human race.
This story about the banning of roses might be laughable at the total stupidity it expresses, but the problem is much deeper. this religious police has long tred all over human identity or basic freedoms. It is dangerous, backwards and as long as it has oil within its borders will remain unquestioned.!
sam04u
Comrades, Comrades!
- Joined
- Sep 13, 2003
- Messages
- 2,867
- Gender
- Male
- HSC
- 2006
All there is to say about this is that if the United States of Fail and Aids weren't arming the Saudi dictatorship, they would be overthrown, and there would be a progressive government in place.
Red roses banned? Fuck off.
Red roses banned? Fuck off.
sam04u
Comrades, Comrades!
- Joined
- Sep 13, 2003
- Messages
- 2,867
- Gender
- Male
- HSC
- 2006
Now that the Saudi dictatorship is armed to the teeth, there is no solution. The people don't want that type of government, muslims don't want that type of government, it's damning to both the people and the religion.Enteebee said:
So what should be done? Even Bin Laden doesn't support the government of Saudi Arabia.