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with out australia the level in the ofc will be shocking, but i suppose that is not our problem.

as the saying goes you only get better by playing team better then you, and there is no other half decent side in the ofc apart from australia at the moment.

with australia out of the ofc im afraid that it will be left to rot.

not even deserving of 1/2 a qualifying spot.

but i suppose 1 spot still must be insured at the confederations cup, meaning more revenue for other teams, which may lead to long term improve ment, 3million would go alot further for the island nations then for australia.

however thus australia misses out on this revenue now (it really should be a garenteed 3million every 2 yrs) for fed cup qualifying, but if australia manages to make 2 of every 3 world cups in asia at 11million qualifying reward the move will pay off(based on not qualifying at all through oceania), but anything less then that and australia is potentially losing a large piece of funding.
 

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slip said:
however thus australia misses out on this revenue now (it really should be a garenteed 3million every 2 yrs) for fed cup qualifying, but if australia manages to make 2 of every 3 world cups in asia at 11million qualifying reward the move will pay off(based on not qualifying at all through oceania), but anything less then that and australia is potentially losing a large piece of funding.

Monetary concerns are somehwat secondary here. Regardless, auto-qualification to the Confederations Cup shouldn't even be a factor. It's a mickey-mouse competition that none of the top teams take seriously, and the benefits to our Nat teams as far as the standard of oponents, being able to play tough competitive fixtures regularly etc will be excellent. So will the exposure to the Asian markets and interactions with them.

Besides we'll also be able to participate in the Asian Cup as well as seeing our clubs get a spot in the Asian Champions League.

The NT not being idle for long periods of time, the marketing possibilities, TV money, meaningufl fixtures etc. This'll be the greatest thing I could've ever hoped for. If the FFA pull it off, then the rugger bugger John O'Neill would have done more for football in the country than the other so called "football people" have done in the past decade.
 

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Another update from the Herald:


Sydney Morning Herald
Time to ride the Marrakech express

By Michael Cockerill

March 11, 2005

Analysis

Football in Australia has had a multitude of false dawns, but this is the real thing.

On September 12, in the unlikely setting of Marrakech, Australia's departure from Oceania and membership of Asia will be confirmed.

True enough, the politics of world football have taught generations of Australian officials to take nothing for granted, and chairman Frank Lowy remains understandably cautious about proclaiming victory - tempting as it may be.

But the reality is this. Unless all the key players had already reached agreement, the proposal would not have gone this far. All that remains is procedure and protocol, and at the FIFA Congress in Morocco in nine months' time that process will be complete.

Lowy, the billionaire businessman who took over a broken-down game almost two years ago, has his legacy. It is the greatest gift the game could ever receive. Economically, politically and competitively, Asia is the promised land. Football in Australia is finally in a position to realise its enormous potential.

A former chairman of the game, Ian Knop, was laughed down when he proclaimed that the game would soon be challenging the combined might of rugby, Australian football and rugby league. Those claims were brazen, and premature, but now they ring true: getting into Asia is that important, and that rewarding.

Participation in the game has never been the problem, capitalisation has. This is the dividend for those who have kept the faith.

For the past four months, Lowy and his chief executive, John O'Neill, have been engaged in shuttle diplomacy from Zurich to Barcelona to Kuala Lumpur to try to make the dream come true. This week the FIFA executive cleared the way.

FIFA president Sepp Blatter, Asian Football Confederation president Mohamed Bin Hammam and Oceania Football Confederation president Reynald Temarii have all given it their stamp of approval. On March 23, the AFC executive will agree to invite Australia to become a member; on April 12, the OFC executive will agree to allow Australia to leave.

Between those two dates, the Socceroos will play two highly symbolic games - against Iraq and Indonesia - chosen to illustrate the new partnership between Australia and Asia as much as anything else.

That Bin Hammam, a Qatari who many believe may become Blatter's successor, will attend both games speaks for itself.

Australia has been trying, on and off, for three decades to shift its focus to the north. Oceania, formed in 1966, has often been viewed by our administrators as a millstone around their neck.

Over the years, the OFC has grown and developed - it now has 12 members, much improved facilities, and offers direct qualification at every level of the game, both men's and women's, except the World Cup.

Despite Oceania's progress - best symbolised by the emergence of the Solomon Islands in recent years - Australia has continued to look longingly to Asia. But the feeling has rarely been mutual.

In 1974, the then-president of the Australian federation, Arthur George, travelled to Tehran to plead the case for both Australia and New Zealand to leave Oceania and join the fledgling AFC. George remembers opening the door of the meeting-room, and "smelling the animosity".

Before George could get up to speak, a Kuwaiti delegate successfully moved a motion to expel him from the meeting. "At the time Asia was relatively weak, and they were appalled by the thought that Australia and even New Zealand might take their places in the World Cup," he recalls.

Since then, joining Asia has been a motherhood mission of a succession of Australian administrators but has never looked likely to happen.

A former chairman, David Hill, even voted against his own confederation in 1996, opposing a motion that Oceania be granted full status, in the hope that Asia might open the door to an orphaned Australia. Hill lost the vote 170-1.

Throughout these years, Asia has grown strongly and dramatically, so much so that FIFA awarded it the last World Cup. On the field, teams like Japan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, South Korea and China have shown huge improvement, while off the field Asia has become a financial engine-room for the world game.

Four out of FIFA's 15 official marketing partners are Asian companies, and the Asian football economy is worth several billion dollars. Major European games attract audiences of over 500 million viewers on Asian pay-TV, while many European clubs have recruited Asian players to tap into the marketing goldmine.

Until now, Australia has been unable to show Asia that it could add anything to the kitty. Lowy and O'Neill finally made the breakthrough early this year, convincing the World Sports Group - a marketing company which bankrolls the AFC with about $US55 million ($69.3 million) a year - that adding Australia into the mix would increase the value of its properties. Having finally won the crucial economic argument, Australia is now poised to win the political one.

Asia will welcome Australia while Oceania, despite lingering resentment from New Zealand, will allow Australia to leave with its blessing.

Australia has gained so much more than it could have hoped for. It has gained a rock-solid foundation to build the game from the bottom to the top. Its destiny is in its own hands.

PROS AND CONS: WHAT THE MOVE WOULD MEAN

World Cup Asia has 4 spots compared to Oceania's half-spot. Socceroos will play 12-16 qualifying games, compared to a maximum of nine now, only four of which are genuinely competitive. No more play-offs against South Americans. Home matches will be more numerous and marketable, and will be spread around the country. Club commitments will be a bigger issue for European-based players given the increase in matches.

Asian Cup Meaningful games for the Socceroos between World Cup cycles. Asian Cup qualifiers (at least eight matches) and the finals (between three and six matches) will replace friendlies. The qualifiers are a real chance for Australia's home-based players to gain international experience.

Other tournaments Australia will lose direct qualification for youth, women's and futsal (indoor) World Cups, Confederations Cups and the Olympics, and will play through much harder Asian zones to qualify. The benefit is that our youth, female and indoor players will become match-hardened before playing in the finals.

Club football Perhaps the greatest benefit of all. The clubs will sacrifice Oceania's automatic spot in the World Club Championships but regular entry in the Asian Champions League or second-tier AFC Cup would bring in money, competition and exposure


Mike Cockerill is usually spot on about Oz football. Greater times ahead for sure.
 

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that would be worth gold for us. im very confident the socceroos could match it with s.korea and japan.
 

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blackfriday said:
that would be worth gold for us. im very confident the socceroos could match it with s.korea and japan.

Hopefully with a few competitive matches in a row we could, as the talent is there but the Asians are really well drilled and match-hardened too.

Another step forward for the Socceroos as well with the FFA hiring Gerard Houllier as a technical consultant, a role which pretty much built the entire French youth system of training and education. Awesome progress being made here for football. I'm so happy to see it finally happening.

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SBS can reveal the EXCLUSIVE news that Gerard Houllier, National Technical Director for the French Football Association from 1990 to 1998, will be coming to Australia to examine and recommend sweeping changes to player development in this country.

Football Federation Australia Chief Executive Officer John O'Neill (pictured) says while Houllier's age and health will prevent him staying long term, the famed Frenchman's expertise will be invaluable in raising the quality of Australian football.

“Gerard will be here in the not too distant future. He has already been provided with a lot of information to get him familiar with what we have and he will be here within the next couple of months – to spend three weeks and then to come back regularly to work with me, John Boultbee, Ron Smith and Frank Farina on looking at what our systems; our youth developments programs are, and how we can improve them.,” O’Neill told SBS’ Toyota World Sports.

Meantime, O'Neill has confirmed FFA is close to a move from the Oceania Football Confederation to the Asian organisation. National coach Frank Farina has also thrown his weight behind the move saying it would enhance the standard of opposition for his side.

The news came as Farina named a 29 man squad for the Easter weekend matches, ironically against Asian opponents Iraq and Indonesia. Harry Kewell, Mark Viduka and Ned Zelic are again absent from the list.

Twenty nine players, five of them from A-League sides and according to coach Frank Farina, all of them should play some part in one, the other or both of Australia's matches with Iraq and Indonesia.

“It’s a bit difficult to expect to go into both the games with the same side and it’s unrealistic I think - with all the travel that’s involved and the short period between the two games. So there are a lot of these boys that will get opportunities,” said Farina.

As the Socceroos prepare to face two AFC nations, it seems that could be a more regular feature for the national side, with the FFA close a move to the Asian Football Confederation.

“Discussions have been under way for some months - particularly with FIFA, AFC, and OFC. Now from FIFA there’s a way forward but there are very important procedural steps that need to be taken at the AFC and OFC levels. The key in all this, is for AFC to extend the invitation for us to take up membership,” O’Neill said.

Australia's fellow OFC nations have responded in differing ways. Some voicing concerns, others relishing the thought of a confederation without the Socceroos. The organistation itself had no official comment to make.

Yet from a playing point of view, there's no doubt that the move would be hugely beneficial for the Socceroos.

“In terms of the national team it goes away from being seven days in four years that you have to perform in two games. If you have a bad day at the office you are gone. Now you are looking at Asian Cup; you are looking at World Cup qualifiers; where you can have maybe one, two, three bad days at the office and still get through,” said Farina.
 
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good to see australian soccer moving in the right direction..

anyone going to the sydneyFc launch in martin place on march 22.... i wana check it out... get freebies aswell..
 

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does anyone remember that before this qualifying campaign ofc was given a full wc birth, which was taken away??? since then sepp blatter said he would give ofc a full qualifying spot before he leaves and before 2010....

if the big issue here is world cup qualification that should be remembered. but asia is probably a far safer long term path, as ofc would eventually lose that place again.

the only positive on australia losing its pretty much automatic qualification for youth world cups is that if ofc retains a full qualifying spot for those competitions the game should strengthen in new zealand and the rest of the ofc nations.

the asian qualifiers, champs league and asian cup all seem too good to be true. but considering we have spent the last 7 or 8 years forming a base in europe I wonder what will happen to those games, and player turn out.
 
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At least we will get some comic value from the move - watching New Zealand or the Solomon Islands taking on the South Americans. Can't wait to hear to Kiwis complaining about how poor their football talent is! :D
 

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gerrard houllier might be an experienced european manager but that doesnt make him all that good. come on, djimi troare and igor biscan for God's sake!
 

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i think solomon islands lost to aus thirty something to zero thats a world record if only they played real madrid 50-0 lol :D
 

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Italian Hotshot said:
At least we will get some comic value from the move - watching New Zealand or the Solomon Islands taking on the South Americans. Can't wait to hear to Kiwis complaining about how poor their football talent is! :D
the ironic thing is that the plan for the 2010 world cup is that the ofc winner will play off against the 5th placed afc team.

this potentially means a spot in the world cup could come down to new zealand or solomans against australia in two games accross seven days. unlikely but possible.
 

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blackfriday said:
gerrard houllier might be an experienced european manager but that doesnt make him all that good. come on, djimi troare and igor biscan for God's sake!
I dunno, gerard obviously saw something in djimi. I mean that own goal he scored in the fa cup was pretty special. You don't just score an own goal like that-it requires a special talent, a gift if you will. Where you saw a useless defender, Houllier saw something more.
 

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timbk2 said:
12-1 or 12-2pm..

in the middle of martin place. i work just up the road
ok thx...& the 22nd is a tuesday yeh? Hmm i got lectures from 1-6 that day, & its a bit of a trek to MQ Uni from the city...


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dunno, gerard obviously saw something in djimi. I mean that own goal he scored in the fa cup was pretty special. You don't just score an own goal like that-it requires a special talent, a gift if you will. Where you saw a useless defender, Houllier saw something more.
I believe Houllier once described 'Jimmy' Traoré as the new Desailly & Igor Bišcan as the new Frank Rijkaard lol :D
 
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i think solomon islands lost to aus thirty something to zero thats a world record if only they played real madrid 50-0 lol :D
Actually, it was American Samoa 31-0, which is the highest score in an International match. Also in that game Archie Thompson scored 17 goals which is also a record for the most indidvidual goals in an International match
 

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Actually, it was American Samoa 31-0, which is the highest score in an International match. Also in that game Archie Thompson scored 17 goals which is also a record for the most indidvidual goals in an International match
Think it was only 16, none the less he got a bagfull.
 
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Does anyone go to the conservatorium of music or know of anyone who does because we;re playing them in opens soccer first round
 
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Damn Kiwis follow everything that we do ...

New Zealand football officials support Australia's planned move from Oceania to Asia and want to join the controversial football migration.

And the trans-Tasman neighbours could yet have the entire South Pacific confederation for company with Oceania general-secretary Tai Nicholas admitting a move en masse would "solve a whole lot of problems".

New Zealand Soccer (NZS) boss Graham Seatter is to step up overtures to Asia now Australia looks set to cut ties with Oceania and join Asia next year with the blessing of FIFA, the sport's world governing body.

Asia is reportedly poised to officially invite Australia into its 45-member confederation on April 23 before a final decision is expected from the world governing body in June.

Seatter's goal is for New Zealand to join Asia by 2007 before the qualifying draw for the 2010 World Cup is made.

He said discussions with Asia were "on-going".


Full Story. :mad:
 
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