VSU Rally vs. Tuts and Lectures? (3 Viewers)

[Plebeian]

Nevertheless, Simon's campaign is using MUCH less paper than any of the other candidates

Way to not substantiate that claim there.

 

[Rorix]

Way to not substantiate that claim there.

I'll let Simon know that we are requesting an audit of his paper expense information.



Glad to see we are discussing the union election on such a sophisticated policy level.

 

[jpr333]

You anti Simon socialists (and/or idiots) grasping at your straws...

 

[Rorix]

Wake up - no matter what happens in the election the students are fucked.

Say one of the lefties convinces Howard to drop VSU.

So now we keep the political representation body that enfranchises only those it views as having been disenfranchised in the past. We are just creating new minorities.

The entire concept of a majority granting executive authority to any one person or group is screwed anyway.

Perhaps a system based on the principles of peer review would serve better?

The University's powers and actions are strictly monitored by a board, which is 1/4 Usyd administration, 1/4 academics and 1/2 students and can serve as an appeals body.

Decided entirely at random each year (which is done by auditors or some similar group).

That way, everyone is represented equally (by not being represented at all).

All we need is a system of neutral conciliation & arbitration being funded.

Clubs and socs etc can draw their own funding.

Protests really have nothing to do with being a member of the union..you either choose to attend or you don't. They could apply for class exemption to this new body.

Let me know how the idea works out for you.

 

[Plebeian]

I'll let Simon know that we are requesting an audit of his paper expense information.

Glad to see we are discussing the union election on such a sophisticated policy level.

Hey, it wasn't me that brought it up. I just don't think Phanatical has grounds to say Simon's using "MUCH less paper than any of the other candidates", when he has in fact instituted an extensive postering and leafleting campaign, and there are several candidates (Ben Bartlett, Steven Flew, Patrick Burns) who have done neither.

 

[Phanatical]

I think you're grasping at straws, because there's absolutely nothing else you can criticise.

 

[withoutaface]

Hey, it wasn't me that brought it up. I just don't think Phanatical has grounds to say Simon's using "MUCH less paper than any of the other candidates", when he has in fact instituted an extensive postering and leafleting campaign, and there are several candidates (Ben Bartlett, Steven Flew, Patrick Burns) who have done neither.

Ben Bartlett has a few posters up in Carslaw, Patrick Burns has those George Bush ones, not as extensive, but yeah. I don't think anyone could say, though, that Simon has more posters up than Angus and Katy.

 

[Rorix]

Hey, it wasn't me that brought it up. I just don't think Phanatical has grounds to say Simon's using "MUCH less paper than any of the other candidates", when he has in fact instituted an extensive postering and leafleting campaign, and there are several candidates (Ben Bartlett, Steven Flew, Patrick Burns) who have done neither.

If you think that its an important enough a misconcpetion to correct...

 

[Plebeian]

Ben Bartlett has a few posters up in Carslaw, Patrick Burns has those George Bush ones, not as extensive, but yeah. I don't think anyone could say, though, that Simon has more posters up than Angus and Katy.

I know. Both of your statements are true, and that's why I didn't ever say they weren't. I didn't say Ben / Patrick hadn't done any postering, I said they hadn't "instituted extensive campaigns" like Simon has. And I also never said that he had done more postering than Angus or Katy. My point was simply to refute Phanatical's portrayal of Simon as some uber-green candidate who had used less paper than (and this is crucial) "EVERY other candidate", which was simply not the case. But Rorix is right, this is a pretty banal level to be taking the discussion too.

 

[ujuphleg]

Hey waffy, were you outside Carslaw on Thursday wearing a Simon Fontana t-shirt?

EDIT: I've just read the last couple of posts and yes, you were.

On another, somewhat related note, the best place to look for Information about the Union Board Elections would be the "Candiature 2005 - The 2005 USU Board Election Candiates" booklet. In there, its outlined what positions the person has held and currently holds, what degree their doing, who nominated them and what they're policy stances are in a paragraph.

EDIT EDIT: Oh and Phanatical, whilst your beloved Simon may have some ideas about how to improve representation at the Con, from what I can see its Angus, Lauren and John that have had the nominations from the Con.

 

[withoutaface]

Hey waffy, were you outside Carslaw on Thursday wearing a Simon Fontana t-shirt?

EDIT: I've just read the last couple of posts and yes, you were.

On another, somewhat related note, the best place to look for Information about the Union Board Elections would be the "Candiature 2005 - The 2005 USU Board Election Candiates" booklet. In there, its outlined what positions the person has held and currently holds, what degree their doing, who nominated them and what they're policy stances are in a paragraph.

EDIT EDIT: Oh and Phanatical, whilst your beloved Simon may have some ideas about how to improve representation at the Con, from what I can see its Angus, Lauren and John that have had the nominations from the Con.

Nominations from a certain area of the uni just means you have a few friends in that degree imo.

 

[ujuphleg]

Yeah probably. But it means you'll have a better idea of how things should be done?

 

[Phanatical]

There are two factions at the Con vying for power - the one based at the Conservatorium Students Association, and the Sydney Eclectic Composers Society. We try to work together, and we certainly respect each other's intentions - but we disagree on how the Con student body will benefit.

The CSA, lead by Liz Gormley, is the student organisation that has traditionally represented Con students in the past. While they don't have an official position, their Executive is supporting Angus, as they Like the status quo - they control what Union funding we DO get from the main campus.

SECS, lead by Mark Oliveiro, is the newcomer student organisation intended to address the lack of student representation at the Con. While we also don't have an official position, our Executive is supporting Simon - his position on Con secession is one we've also been pushing for a long time.

 

[greeninsanity]

On another, somewhat related note, the best place to look for Information about the Union Board Elections would be the "Candiature 2005 - The 2005 USU Board Election Candiates" booklet. In there, its outlined what positions the person has held and currently holds, what degree their doing, who nominated them and what they're policy stances are in a paragraph.

:uhhuh: This can also be accessed online.

 

[yulia]

So when I have a one hour break, I'm meant to walk all the way to broadway, get food, and then walk alllll the way back to Uni? I don't think so. And what about when I bring my own food and I just want somewhere to eat when it's cold and raining outside? Go to Broadway to eat my own food? Or the days when I have no break at all and I just want to grab a snack, I go to Broadway? It's not that convenient.

What's wrong with the toilets in Carslaw and Wallace?
1) I'm rarely near Wallace theatre - and there are only 2 toilets there for girls - there's always a line. A majority of people are rarely near there at all.
2) The state of the Carslaw toilets are so disguisting I won't let my arse go anywhere near those seats. The toilets at Carslaw don't get cleaned nearly as much as the ones in Manning or Wentworth, nor are there as many, and never seem to have as much toilet paper. Girls are truly filthy when it comes to toilets. Guys may piss all over the place, but girls don't seem to understand what the flush button does, where used toilet paper goes, or what to do with used pads and tampons. I'd rather my bladder explode then go in there.
3) When I'm on my way to the Mechanical Engineering rooms, I'm not going to go down to Carslaw to use the toilet, I'm going to go through Wentworth and use there's.

 

[Phanatical]

I think if the Union were to cease providing services such as toilets to students, it would be a very very bad move on their part. It'd be like Westfields saying you can't use their toilets unless you've bought $200 in goods.

 

[Xayma]

3) When I'm on my way to the Mechanical Engineering rooms, I'm not going to go down to Carslaw to use the toilet, I'm going to go through Wentworth and use there's.

Have you tried the second level of the Mechanical Engineering Building? The PNR courtyard? the third level of the Link Lab?

Also there is no precedent for the unions to collapse. The WA model was much tougher on unions then the federal one (I actually prefer the Federal model, albeit I wish the fines were much heavier).

 

[withoutaface]

Have you tried the second level of the Mechanical Engineering Building? The PNR courtyard? the third level of the Link Lab?

Also there is no precedent for the unions to collapse. The WA model was much tougher on unions then the federal one (I actually prefer the Federal model, albeit I wish the fines were much heavier).

Wow, so many engineering toilets I didn't know existed (save the PNR ones). And yulia I was referring to Broadway as an option for protest day when everything else was (supposed) to be closed, rather than a permanent alternative, sorry if it was a bit ambiguous.

 

[Phanatical]

Simon Fontana is going to make an absolutely fantastic Board member.

 

[Plebeian]

As is Angus.