Aboriginal children in care now exceeds stolen generations (5 Viewers)

[Rockyroad]

They definitely should. They sure as hell shouldn't expect to be propped up by the Gov though when they cbf working like everybody else.



No tard, the aim would be to show that they cannot abuse welfare payments and get away with it. That's exactly the point, if they can't use them properly, they shouldn't get any at all. It's the same for all welfare abusers, not just Aboriginals.

Yes take away their welfare payments, force them into worse poverty - that'll teach them.

 

[boris]

Yes take away their welfare payments, force them into worse poverty - that'll teach them.

Yes, that is the plan. It's taken 21 pages for you to work this out but you got it in the end.

 

[hpdanemma]

ARGHH!

I just typed this whole bullshit thing and it screwed up when posting

Oh well this argument is frustrating.

Btw in response to

if they can't use them properly, they shouldn't get any at all. It's the same for all welfare abusers, not just Aboriginals.

Yeh, that's the way it is...
I meant if you take away ALL Aboriginals welfare payments, it would only have negative consequences. In individual circumstances if an individual hasn't been using the payments for the right purposes, it DOES get taken away. I think that's definitely a good thing lol and, as you said, it applies to all Australians.

 

[Rockyroad]

I think it's disgusting for one that they get these benefits. That they carry on how they do about "what we have done" and that it is "their land". let me tell you something. EVERYSINGLE "Aboriginal" that is alive today, was born in the last 100years. Just like every other single Australian. and you know what that means? That mean's they are the same as every single other person in this country. They are Australian. They are not Aboriginal. They deserve no special treatment.


Oh Yeah, like John Pilger is really a reliable unbiased source. The guy is a crazy nutter. I remember ranting at him on Q&A Before they censored me.


I Agree 100%. The only way the "Aboriginals" are going to have a proper lifestyle is untill everyone realises it just isn't feasable to live in remote communities and expect the same standard of care. If we are having enough trouble in the cities getting enough doctors per 10,000people, how are we going to get enough for 300people out in the middle of nowhere?

I for one believe the only way to address this situation properly is for everyone to realise they are not "aboriginals" they are AUSTRALIANS, just like those that decendants from Italy that were born in australia, are, you guessed it, AUSTRALIANS.

I am sick and tired of people trying to force some sort of blackarmband view of our History and try to shame us of "our past". I for one am PROUD to call myself an AUSTRALIAN and am PROUD of our history and you should too.

John Pilger is not a crazy nutter. He is one of the most best, most respected journalists in the world. ( I wonder why they censored your ranting..)
Your solution is to move them to cities, where there is a higher 'standard of care' Why don't we just try and improve care in these communities?
And why exactly are you proud of our history? I'm not, why should I be?
Patriotism is not necessarily a good thing, especially when you are just saying you are proud to be australian with no reason for it.
"They are not Aboriginal" .. oh really? What's your definition?
..of course they are australians. (They've only been here for 40 000 years)That's why they are called Aboriginal Australians or Indigenous Australians.
As you say, they are like every other Australians (or should be) and yet they are not because they are disadvantaged, they are not treated the same.
Why shouldn't ppl carry on about "what we have done" and that it is "their land"?..it's true and just because no one who was alive back then is alive now, that doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

 

[boris]

John Pilger is not a crazy nutter. He is one of the most best, most respected journalists in the world. ( I wonder why they censored your ranting..)
Your solution is to move them to cities, where there is a higher 'standard of care' Why don't we just try and improve care in these communities?
And why exactly are you proud of our history? I'm not, why should I be?
Patriotism is not necessarily a good thing, especially when you are just saying you are proud to be australian with no reason for it.
"They are not Aboriginal" .. oh really? What's your definition?
..of course they are australians. (They've only been here for 40 000 years)That's why they are called Aboriginal Australians or Indigenous Australians.
As you say, they are like every other Australians (or should be) and yet they are not because they are disadvantaged, they are not treated the same.
Why shouldn't ppl carry on about "what we have done" and that it is "their land"?..it's true and just because no one who was alive back then is alive now, that doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

No, you're an idiot. Why should they be in a different class to everyone else? They are aboriginal, so what? They are Australian first and foremost. You dont go around referring to certain asian people as chinese etc or middle eastern people as lebanese do you? No, they are Australians.

 

[Rockyroad]

ARGHH!

I just typed this whole bullshit thing and it screwed up when posting

Oh well this argument is frustrating.

Btw in response to

Yeh, that's the way it is...
I meant if you take away ALL Aboriginals welfare payments, it would only have negative consequences. In individual circumstances if an individual hasn't been using the payments for the right purposes, it DOES get taken away. I think that's definitely a good thing lol and, as you said, it applies to all Australians.

I hate when your post is lost. I avoid it by posting a response that just says " . " or whatever and then you go and edit it as you go.

 

[katie tully]

Yes take away their welfare payments, force them into worse poverty - that'll teach them.

Well what the fuck do you propose? You've already said we can't tell them how to spend their money, and now you're saying we can't take it off them if they abuse it, which leaves what exactly?

 

[katie tully]

Why don't we just try and improve care in these communities?

Why should we invest a disproportionate amount of money into these communities? Two options -
Move to a regional center if you want to participate in Western culture
Live in bumfuck nowhere as a traditional bunch and forfeit your "right" to welfare or other forms of assistance.

As you say, they are like every other Australians (or should be) and yet they are not because they are disadvantaged, they are not treated the same.

And why are they disadvantaged? BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO ACCEPT ANY RESPONSIBILITY.

 

[Rockyroad]

Why should we invest a disproportionate amount of money into these communities? Two options -
Move to a regional center if you want to participate in Western culture
Live in bumfuck nowhere as a traditional bunch and forfeit your "right" to welfare or other forms of assistance.



And why are they disadvantaged? BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO ACCEPT ANY RESPONSIBILITY.

This post makes very little sense. We are morally obligated to try and improve our country, that means, investing money in, and helping disadvantaged communities. Pretty simple.
A community or individual does not become disadvantaged because they refuse to except responsbility. That makes no sense. I thought you were claiming that communities that were disadvantaged need to accept responsibilty. Now you are reversing it to say something that doesn't make sense.

 

[katie tully]

This post makes very little sense. We are morally obligated to try and improve our country, that means, investing money in, and helping disadvantaged communities. Pretty simple.
A community or individual does not become disadvantaged because they refuse to except responsbility. That makes no sense. I thought you were claiming that communities that were disadvantaged need to accept responsibilty. Now you are reversing it to say something that doesn't make sense.

No I'm not.

Read it again.

 

[Rockyroad]

No I'm not.

Read it again.

yes you did. You said 'people need to take responsibilty for their own actions' and then you said 'they are disadvantaged because they won't accept responsibilty'

 

[impervious182]

I can't believe Katie Tully has had to argue this alone. Iron, I don't know if you have the power to do this, but if so, you should promote Katie to moderator. She's been on these forums for a very long time and lately, she's being making quite a bit of sense.

 

[Rockyroad]

No I'm not.

Read it again.

yes you did. You said 'people need to take responsibilty for their own actions' and then you said 'they are disadvantaged because they won't accept responsibilty'

 

[zstar]

Yes take away their welfare payments, force them into worse poverty - that'll teach them.

You Socialist liberals are the biggest douchebags that ever lived on this earth and your ideology is a mental disorder.



These people survived thousands of years living on hunting and gathering and clothing.


Do you honestly believe that taking away their welfare payments will make their poverty worse?


They don't use that money to better their lives they use it to abuse substances and spend it on "grog".


This idea that throwing money at Aboriginals as a way of saying "oh shit we did bad here's a $200.00 to show you that we care" is deluded.


They'll continue to blame whitey while abusing their children and committing crime.

 

[Rockyroad]

You Socialist liberals are the biggest douchebags that ever lived on this earth and your ideology is a mental disorder.



These people survived thousands of years living on hunting and gathering and clothing.


Do you honestly believe that taking away their welfare payments will make their poverty worse?


They don't use that money to better their lives they use it to abuse substances and spend it on "grog".


This idea that throwing money at Aboriginals as a way of saying "oh shit we did bad here's a $200.00 to show you that we care" is deluded.


They'll continue to blame whitey while abusing their children and committing crime.

Generalising much? "They [Aborigines] don't use that money to better their lives they use it abuse substances and spend it on "grog" " ...yea every single Aborigine spends all of their welfare on substances.. yea sure... you just keep twisting the facts to suit you.
"These people survived thousands of years living on hunting and gathering and clothing"...wtf is this supposed to mean?
Child abuse and crime are a result of any disadvantaged community. duh. Not only Aboriginal ones.
Taking welfare away will worsen poverty especially within those families who depend on it and don't spend it on subsances.
We should try and improve our country and that means helping disadvantaged communities, not only via welfare. I feel morally obligated to try and reduce inequality. Dunno 'bout you. Criticising's not gonna help.

 

[Will Shakespear]

I'd suggest they're probably disadvantaged because they live in shithole communities in the middle of nowhere

so really paying them to keep living there is pretty stupid

 

[Rockyroad]

I'd suggest they're probably disadvantaged because they live in shithole communities in the middle of nowhere

so really paying them to keep living there is pretty stupid

Not paying them is pretty stupid. You can't punish them for living there. Not paying them is gonna make it harder to live there and harder to leave. They're already disadvantaged and you propose to withold payments to make them even more disadvantaged.
That's terrible logic, I surprised because some of your posts show that ur smart but others make me want to throttle you. What's up?

 

[impervious182]

Not paying them is pretty stupid. You can't punish them for living there. Not paying them is gonna make it harder to live there and harder to leave. They're already disadvantaged and you propose to withold payments to make them even more disadvantaged.
That's terrible logic, I surprised because some of your posts show that ur smart but others make me want to throttle you. What's up?

Q: Why are they disadvantaged?

A: Because of a lack of will to improve.

 

[zstar]

Generalising much? "They [Aborigines] don't use that money to better their lives they use it abuse substances and spend it on "grog" " ...yea every single Aborigine spends all of their welfare on substances.. yea sure... you just keep twisting the facts to suit you.
"These people survived thousands of years living on hunting and gathering and clothing"...wtf is this supposed to mean?
Child abuse and crime are a result of any disadvantaged community. duh. Not only Aboriginal ones.
Taking welfare away will worsen poverty especially within those families who depend on it and don't spend it on subsances.
We should try and improve our country and that means helping disadvantaged communities, not only via welfare. I feel morally obligated to try and reduce inequality. Dunno 'bout you. Criticising's not gonna help.

So why hasn't your "spread the wealth everywhere" philosophy worked?


Those who aren't abusing substances aren't the ones asking for money it's the ones on drugs and high on fuel that are asking for money.


Instead of it making them better they have become progressively worse.


Why should taxpayers pay for a failed government program?


What makes them so different to the rest of the Australian population when so many migrants here don't know English yet still manage to succeed?

 

[katie tully]

yes you did. You said 'people need to take responsibilty for their own actions' and then you said 'they are disadvantaged because they won't accept responsibilty'

Yeah ... um, it makes perfect sense.

These idiots need to take responsibility for themselves for once, instead of playing the blame game. They wouldn't be disadvantaged if they actually owned up to theor errors and said 'lol hey let's stop spending our TAX PAYER FUNDED WELFARE ON DRUGS AND LETS FEED THE KIDS AND SEND THEM TO SCHOOL!'