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well in my opinion if you believe in salvation by good works then you are not a christian as u miss the whole point
Thats right. Because the BASIC BUILDING block of Christianity is FAITH.Stevo. said:Don't bother trying to trounce them with logic. It clearly doesn't work.
It depends?Schroedinger said:... SOME Christians believe that. You believe in faith over works. Orthodox Christians and Catholic believe in good works. Don't you dare claim to speak for all Christians in such a despicable fashion.
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. (James 2:14-18 ESV)emytaylor164 said:well in my opinion if you believe in salvation by good works then you are not a christian as u miss the whole point
You assume i have parents.Schroedinger said:You do realise you can't add a layer of abstraction in that sense and have it count as a viable argument. Does god move you or do you move you? I can make a sociological estimate as to the nature of your belief based on the co-ordinates of your birth, fairly trivially. Do you see how this dilutes your claim to unique revelation?
I assume your parents are Christian, yes?
EXACTLY!!!!!!Captain Gh3y said:What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. (James 2:14-18 ESV)
Oh? We're worshipping science are we? It couldn't possibly be that we're accepting it because it's based on peer-reviwed rationality instead of blind faith, could it?Iron said:*Science says it, I believe it, that settles it.
Fresh Worshiping
What are you claiming to be the fucking second coming of Christ now or something?*TRUE* said:You assume i have parents.
You should read that again*TRUE* said:EXACTLY!!!!!!
Thats it!!!You will notice though that good works do not 'save' a person. It is the grace of God. Remember when Jesus was being crucified , there were two men on either side. One of them acknowledged Jesus as Lord and Jesus said , "today you will be in paradise with me" I cant think that that dude did too many good worksCaptain Gh3y said:What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. (James 2:14-18 ESV)
I meant parents around to influence you.Schroedinger said:By your own logic everything has to have a creator, thus you have to have a creator, sugar.
You can't have your cake and disrupt the universe as well.
Yepemytaylor164 said:That means that you express your faith through works it is a way of bearing fruit not salvation.
Haha, instant ownage. While I think of it: I reckon you'd get a kick from Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, if only for the iconoclast-factor.phatchance said:The idea of a universal consciousness CANNOT be proven or disproved, I think those throwing stones at others for harbouring antiquated religious beliefs should look at the revaluations and revision of what was once 'contemporary' scientific belief, there is no more permanency or solidarity in modern scientific thought, than we can presume for people pointing wands at the sky to call down the sun god, and, on a basic level, you can thank religion for society.
Something I found funny here Kieran was that you criticised someone in this thread for attempting to utilise religion to prove religion, aren't you attempting to use science to prove science? What if the laws and governing elements of science are temporal and dependent on a gracious god allowing them to be constants?
What the hell kind of rationality is that? You are just making grandiose judgement calls based on your limited, human experience of the universe. Why should a philosophical text written in the same time period not hinged on divine creation (which, I think you should remember here, was a progressive and scientific avenue at this point) be worth more than a text based on that divinity? Because the text focused on divinity happened to have a much more effective marketing scheme? Because it was a collaborative work and is the highest grossing book of all time?Schroedinger said:There's probably a lot more to be derived from books of philosophy and science that build upon the concepts outlined in the bible, but that don't require the creator of the text to be divine (Which it clearly isn't).
Hell, Philsophical and Fictional texts have way more to offer than the bible. You're also conflating the base premises of Religion and the base premises of Science.
Also... you do know why a day is called a day, right? It's the period of time it takes the earth to rotate... it's not based on sunrise or sunset otherwise you would have very long days in the poles.
Emy isnt arguing for other beliefs. She is a christian who bases her faith on the BIBLE (and her interpretation of it.)Schroedinger said:Calvinism disagrees with you implicitly, as do quakers and salvation army people.
Thus you are the vanguard to christianity, yes?
This free will argument is always so enlightening. Vicissitudes of an incredulous mob!