HSC 2012 MX2 Marathon (archive) (3 Viewers)

sophisms

New Member
Joined
Jul 15, 2012
Messages
22
Gender
Female
HSC
2012
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

i am so going to fail maths ext 2 after seeing this thread. I don't even get what's going on :/
 
Joined
Sep 20, 2010
Messages
2,225
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
2012
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

Dw sophisms I thought the exact same thing...but you'll get used to it! Promise!
 

barbernator

Active Member
Joined
Sep 13, 2010
Messages
1,439
Gender
Male
HSC
2012
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

still got no idea on how to finish it off lol
 

seanieg89

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2006
Messages
2,662
Gender
Male
HSC
2007
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

 
Last edited:

Godmode

Activated
Joined
Jun 28, 2011
Messages
41
Location
9th Circle of Hell
Gender
Male
HSC
2012
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

Alright! Time for a (possibly ridiculous) Probability question.

Jack and Michael are playing a game of blackjack, using 8 standard decks.

i. How many two card selections are there:
a) in total?
b) that will have blackjack?
ii. What is the probability of:
a) only one player being dealt blackjack?
b) both players being dealt blackjack?
iii. What is the probability of being dealt blackjack, where one card is a King?
iv. If Both Jack and Michael are dealt blackjack, what is the probability (out of all possible 2 card selections for both players, [blackjack or not] dealt to both players) that Jack will beat Michael (where 10 < Jack < Queen < King and let's say Spades = 4 points > Clubs = 3 > Diamonds = 2 > Hearts = 1, and the suit of both cards count, and most points wins)

For those who have never played Blackjack, (My teacher said he once had a Yr 12 class where barely anyone had even seen a deck of cards lol) Having Blackjack is when the sum of both card's numbers is 21 [Ace = 1 or 11, 10 = Jack = Queen = King]

Note: I have no idea how to do this question, I just made it up on the spot. Additionally, probability is not my forte, so don't rely on me to come up with the answers any time soon lol.

For part i. , I just mean a single hand, but for part iv. , I mean for both hands at the same time ( it is a bit confusing lol).
 
Last edited:

Carrotsticks

Retired
Joined
Jun 29, 2009
Messages
9,494
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
N/A
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

This question is possibly more complex than you thought. My reasons:

1. In a game of blackjack, you also have to count the fact that cards are given to another player at the same time (so there are fewer cards in the deck).

2. Remember that you can 'hit' in Blackjack, and we also have to determine the probability of one of them 'busting out', thus guaranteeing a win for the other player assuming they haven't already Blackjacked.
 

Godmode

Activated
Joined
Jun 28, 2011
Messages
41
Location
9th Circle of Hell
Gender
Male
HSC
2012
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

Just to make it slightly easier, reduce the deck number to 1, and we are only considering it to be a win if both players are below 22. (im not sure if this makes it easier or harder)

EDIT: And yes, this is becoming worse and worse as I think about it.

What's the worst we can get in MX2 probability?
 

lolcakes52

Member
Joined
Oct 31, 2011
Messages
286
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
2012
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon


I made this one up myself.... I hope its alright....
 
Last edited:

Aesytic

Member
Joined
Jun 19, 2011
Messages
141
Gender
Male
HSC
2012
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

integral[(sinx-cosx)/(2+2sin2x)] = integral[(sinx-cosx)/(1+2sinxcosx+sin^2x+cos^2x)]
= integral[(sinx-cosx)/(1+(sinx+cosx)^2)]
let u=sinx + cosx
du = cosx - sinx dx
.'. integral[(sinx-cosx)/(1+(sinx+cosx)^2)] = -integral[1/(1+u^2)]
= -arctan(u)
= -arctan(sinx + cosx) + C
 

Trebla

Administrator
Administrator
Joined
Feb 16, 2005
Messages
8,392
Gender
Male
HSC
2006
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

Show that for x > 0:

 

bleakarcher

Active Member
Joined
Jul 8, 2011
Messages
1,509
Gender
Male
HSC
2013
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

Show that for x > 0:

Let f(x)=cos(x)-1+(x^2/2)-(x^4/24)
When x=0, f(x)=f(0)=0
f '(x)=-sin(x)+x-(x^3/6)
f ''(x)=-cos(x)+1-(x^2/2)
f '''(x)=sin(x)-x
Note that y=x is the tangent to y=sin(x) at x=0 meaning that x>sin(x) <=> sin(x)-x<0 for all x>0.
In order to prove the statement for x>0, which is equivalent to the statement "Prove f(x)<0 for x>0", we must consider the fact that if f(x)<0 for x>0 then f(0)<=0 and f '(x)<0 for all x>0. Since f ''(0)=0 and f '''(x)<0 for all x>0 it follows by the theorem stated above that f ''(x)<0 for all x>0. Since f '(0)=0 and f ''(x)<0 for all x>0 it follows again by the theorem that f '(x)<0 for all x>0. Applying the theorem once more we deduce that f(x)<0 for all x>0 i.e. cos(x)<1-(x^2/2)+(x^4/24) for x>0
 
Last edited:

RealiseNothing

what is that?It is Cowpea
Joined
Jul 10, 2011
Messages
4,591
Location
Sydney
Gender
Male
HSC
2013
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

Can you do it this way?



Since substituting in x=0 leaves both sides equal, we can say that for x>0.

So we end up with by differentiating:



Therefore by multiplying both sides by -1:



Sub in x=0 and both sides are equal, so we can do the same again:



Sub in x=0 and both sides are equal so we differentiate again:



Therefore by once again multiplying both sides by -1:



Sub x=0 and both sides are equal, so differentiating again gives:



Which is true for all x>0, and hence we conclude that:



Alternatively by using taylor series though, you would only have to prove that:

 

Trebla

Administrator
Administrator
Joined
Feb 16, 2005
Messages
8,392
Gender
Male
HSC
2006
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

You cannot differentiate both sides of an inequality and expect know for sure what the inequality sign is
e.g. x2 + 1 > x2
If you differentiate both sides you get: 2x > 2x which is clearly false

Though you are on the right track...just not in the right direction ;)
 
Last edited:

bleakarcher

Active Member
Joined
Jul 8, 2011
Messages
1,509
Gender
Male
HSC
2013
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

Do you have another good question Trebla?
 

Trebla

Administrator
Administrator
Joined
Feb 16, 2005
Messages
8,392
Gender
Male
HSC
2006
Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

bleakarcher's solution is good but wasn't what I had in mind which is probably a simpler approach conceptually but requires a little messier working.

We know that for x > 0 and for some a > 0

 
Last edited:

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 3)

Top