Rudd v Binge Drinking (3 Viewers)

[williamc]

Re: Apparently raising the drinking age to 21 is on the cards

The organs arent developed, they dont have the body mass to cope, they dont have the emotional intelligence to know self restraint.
And pressure my eye! They only pressured ones are the asian kids in their clean cardigans sipping tea whilst engrossed in principles of quantum whatever 5.

who gives a fuck. you're are over 18, you can make educated decisions on whether you want to drink or not.

 

[Iron]

Re: Apparently raising the drinking age to 21 is on the cards

The point is that educated decisions are certainly NOT being made by ~18yos. We're talking about fucking pampered brats; what else is there but condescension? If the worst effect of this is that young people will seek pleasure and entertainment from means other than escapism and self-degredation, then bring it on.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

Re: Apparently raising the drinking age to 21 is on the cards

I think schroedinger said it best when he said you can't legislate morality. You really can't, not without being a condescending fuckwit. I would also argue that imposing a law on moral grounds (regardless of whether they'll frame it as a "health and safety" issue or not) is...well, if it isn't illegal it should be. Someone else's moral high-horse is not justification for a law to be made.

If someone can provide logical reasons why raising the drinking age would solve social problems and benefit the majority of the population I'd love to hear it. So far all I have seen is people using the "organ development" argument which is not really enough.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

Re: Apparently raising the drinking age to 21 is on the cards

THE Federal Government would consider raising the legal drinking age and increasing alcohol taxes if there was a community push for such measures.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23425144-2,00.html

LOL I often heard people calling americans stupid because they dont allow drinking until the age of 21. Looks like they were smarter after all.

 

[withoutaface]

Re: Apparently raising the drinking age to 21 is on the cards

As a director of a student union I must comment that a large percentage of our income comes from late night parties and drinks sales, and that given the average student does a 3 year degree, most will have left or be close to leaving by the age of 21.

Why does Kevin Rudd hate student unions?

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Does anyone think lowering the drinking age to 16 and no limit if accompanied by a parent/guardian (including at licensed venues) would do more to help?

 

[williamc]

Doesn't really help in the UK.

they can't drink and have to leave by 12 i heard.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

Does anyone think lowering the drinking age to 16 and no limit if accompanied by a parent/guardian (including at licensed venues) would do more to help?

Nah. It wouldn't make any discernable difference in terms of reducing binge drinking, I would think.

Which is the whole point of this argument btw. Raising/lowering the age, whatever you do, isn't going to do a thing.

The kind of change the government wants to see is going to need MASSIVE social change before it'll happen. I.e. People need to THINK underage drinking is bad (and by people I mean, like, everyone) before an age change would have an effect. An age change in this circumstance would be redundant anyway seeing as how the change in teen drinking habits would have come from a shift in community attitudes and not the rule of law.

 

[withoutaface]

Underage drinking is going to happen, because people experiment. If you push the age of experimentation back to 21 they're going to do it while they're in the workforce, rather than when they're in university, TAFE or doing their apprenticeships. This does not help the situation.

 

[Iron]

Re: Apparently raising the drinking age to 21 is on the cards

To answer that openly, then we must raise the age limits for all manner of things if we are to take away alcohol. But we can never deal with the fact that if people want something they are going to get it, which means we can't turn back the clock on booze. Which means the only way we could turn back the clock on booze (like we did with racism) is make drinking underage unacceptable [like drink driving] just a total social faux pas to drink underage and then boom we all live in the land of milk and honey with sweet fish pie being fed to us by tubes from God above.

I dont have any stats, but I would assume that a great bulk of the booze would come from well-guarded night-clubs. My guess is that this is what the measures are aimed at. I would also assume that most under-age kids get their booze from 18-21yos, so this would stab at that too.

But we're not fucking slavs! We dont toll the field all day under slabs of snow, government whips and fascist tanks. It's not the ONLY essential joy in our lives. Surely we're more complex than ignorant peons.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

forget age restrictions imma gonna have a baby right now and give it jim beam in place of breastmilk. that's how pissed i am that people would even consider this as a viable idea. what the hell, seriously.

i'm going to bed. night all.

 

[withoutaface]

forget age restrictions imma gonna have a baby right now and give it jim beam in place of breastmilk. that's how pissed i am that people would even consider this as a viable idea. what the hell, seriously.

i'm going to bed. night all.

You know the baby bonus can buy you 200 bottles of Beam? This idea has promise.

 

[Tulipa]

Re: Apparently raising the drinking age to 21 is on the cards

The point is that educated decisions are certainly NOT being made by ~18yos. We're talking about fucking pampered brats; what else is there but condescension? If the worst effect of this is that young people will seek pleasure and entertainment from means other than escapism and self-degredation, then bring it on.

So we should also raise the age of voting too? If you can't drink then you sure as fuck shouldn't be classed as being able to make an educated decision in terms of voting.

The age limit doesn't matter and I totally agree with Cosmic Doris on this:

The kind of change the government wants to see is going to need MASSIVE social change before it'll happen. I.e. People need to THINK underage drinking is bad (and by people I mean, like, everyone) before an age change would have an effect. An age change in this circumstance would be redundant anyway seeing as how the change in teen drinking habits would have come from a shift in community attitudes and not the rule of law.

It's the Australian drinking culture that is to blame. Stop putting bandaids on the problem.

 

[Iron]

Re: Apparently raising the drinking age to 21 is on the cards

So we should also raise the age of voting too? If you can't drink then you sure as fuck shouldn't be classed as being able to make an educated decision in terms of voting.
.

I've always thought that voting should be contingent on something other than age - like passing the HSC (as opposed to passing vomit and blood and out due to mindless quaffing of liquor)
We're going to lift the standard of debate in this country, and let that be our legacy /Leo WW

 

[goony]

The cost for a liquor license is expensive enough as it is in Sydney, and doesn't the 18-21 demographic comprise a large amount of most venues' turnover? (not sure on this...i have no sauce)

 

[bassistx]

Hey, lets all have a BOS meeting out the front
of Parliament house and start binge drinking!

lol did everyone miss this post? Bloody brilliant.

omg what would happen to schoolies week

I think on the schoolies website it says it brings in 60mil every year!

Sorry. This kind of thing makes me so angry though

That's right, always blame the poor communists in the corner being all equal and sharing their beers. Got nothing to do with us, this.

If someone can provide logical reasons why raising the drinking age would solve social problems and benefit the majority of the population I'd love to hear it. So far all I have seen is people using the "organ development" argument which is not really enough.

+1 (this is almost as stupid as "you should stay in school until you get your licence so you can drive to work")

The kind of change the government wants to see is going to need MASSIVE social change before it'll happen. I.e. People need to THINK underage drinking is bad (and by people I mean, like, everyone) before an age change would have an effect.

Smart cookie.

I don't remember who it was, but one of you... Wait. I think it was Smithereens? said that the ALP hasn't been left-wing since the days of Whitlam. So for liberals, you're making contradicting accusations

Health Minister Nicola Roxon said raising the drinking age and hiking alcohol taxes were not priorities, but did not rule out either measure.
"If the communities do raise ideas like this that should be considered, we're happy to consider them but they're not part of our first tranche of priorities that we'll be focused on," she said.
Ms Roxon said the government was seeking to address binge drinking by changing community attitudes as well as laws.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=389457

Oh and jb, protesting is a leftist thing. Leave it to the specialists. You know, you guys don't believe that "crap" works

 

[dieburndie]

I don't remember who it was, but one of you... Wait. I think it was Smithereens? said that the ALP hasn't been left-wing since the days of Whitlam. So for liberals, you're making contradicting accusations

What the hell are you talking about?
Stop spouting your dumb commie whore drivel

 

[ticky2002]

What if they change the age to 21? Will all those who are already 18-21 just simply have to stop drinking and stuff.

I think it's quite rubbish.

If they are going to change it they better make it after 8th November 2011 or I'll be super annoyed.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

Kevin Rudd has probably been drunk about twice in his life and one of those times was probably from communion wine or some shit.

Therefore he knows jack all about the effects of alcohol: medical, social, psychological or otherwise. Besides what he reads and what other people tell him.

Therefore his opinion on this subject is worth nothing. Anyone with a healthy experience of alcohol related activities behind them knows this a bad idea. It's never going to happen though, I strongly believe that, at least. So yeah drink up guys

By the way I was drinking as I typed this so disregard any retarded statements within it k

 

[Zrap]

We're Going Streaking!
Everyone To The Gymnasium!
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