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The summit will put Sydney and Australia into tv and newspaper headlines for two or three days world wide. The publicity it generates will be worth trillions of dollars in future earnings from tourism etc ;). I would like to take a glipmse of George Bush as well. It is once in a life time chance to see the great leader of our time.
 

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BritneySpears said:
The summit will put Sydney and Australia into tv and newspaper headlines for two or three days world wide. The publicity it generates will be worth trillions of dollars in future earnings from tourism etc ;). I would like to take a glipmse of George Bush as well. It is once in a life time chance to see the great leader of our time.
trillions of dollars....lol
 

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I complete disagree with most of the shit that is going on... exclusion zones, personal searches, mobile phone jamming helicopters etc...

...however I think in relation to those idiot violent protesters police should be able to do whatever they like. Open up with some rubber bullets, tear gas, water cannons... just give them everything we have... then lock them up for a couple years... not just 5 days or whatever it is they are suggesting.

If they want to protest thats fine (no matter how stupid their ideas may be) but they can do it peacefully or get locked up.
 

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You do know that more often than not, the only reason why they get violent is because they're provoked by overzealous police?
 

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Nebuchanezzar said:
You do know that more often than not, the only reason why they get violent is because they're provoked by overzealous police?
Yeah right.
 

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You do know that more often than not, the only reason why they get violent is because they're provoked by overzealous police?
I'm sure there is a lot of that, but I can remember seeing protests where they've erected huge fences to keep the protestors away from those they're protesting... and the protestors basically just try to break them down etc.

It seems to me that at least a fair segment of people that go to these protests are not there to protest but to cause havoc to the attendee's.
 

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Canberra would be more logical, it's a less congested area out in the sticks. Less hotels, less protestors. I mean for fucks sake, it's the nations capital right?
I see what you mean. Canberra, as you may know, is pretty empty and quiet and so it'll be less disruptive and less-costly to close down their CBD. They probably just didn't want to disturb the peace.

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It is once in a life time chance to see the great leader of our time.
A great leader of our time.
 

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Sparcod said:
Canberra, as you may know, is pretty empty and quiet and so it'll be less disruptive and less-costly to close down their CBD.
I don't think they could find a CBD in Canberra to close down... there is nothing there... Maybe they can move it to Helensburg, that's about the same size as Canberra.
 

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Michael Head (Radio National) said:
Traffic chaos, closed railway stations, security exclusion zones and random street searches may not be the only unwelcome sights confronting Sydneysiders during the APEC Summit in September.

NSW Deputy Premier John Watkins recently stated that the disruption during APEC will be "50 times" worse than that of the February visit of US Vice President Dick Cheney when the Harbour Bridge was closed off.

Less publicised is the fact that people could also likely to experience a large-scale military operation.

The Australian Defence Force has announced plans to use heavily armed SAS commandos on standby to protect government leaders and officials -- in addition to the presence of huge contingents of police, ASIO agents and foreign security personal.

Any perceived threat to the APEC participants, whether an alleged terrorist plot or political protest, could see the heavily armed SAS Tactical Assault Group called out on Sydney streets.

Significantly, no terrorist threat to APEC has been alleged. However, various groups have announced plans to protest the gathering, which will include US President George Bush, the architect of the invasion of Iraq, and the so-called "war on terror".

During an APEC security display at the Holsworthy Barracks last December, SAS troops with high-powered machine guns and wearing gas masks stormed buildings and took aim at targets.

You can see the photos on display on-line at the Department of Defence Media Room. They show SAS troops breaking down doors of homes and pointing weapons at the camera.

This is part of a wider attack on civil liberties and democratic rights, designed to intimidate and stifle legitimate dissent, including over the war in Iraq.

During US President Bush's 2003 visit to Canberra, air force jets also flew overhead, enforcing a "no-fly" zone. This may happen in Sydney too. The Daily Telegraph has reported that a helicopter with mobile phone jamming equipment will hover over President Bush's heavily armoured motorcade wherever it goes.

Changes to the Commonwealth Defence Act last year disturbingly enhanced the government's power to mobilise troops internally and give the military unprecedented domestic powers, including the right to interrogate civilians and seize documents.

Troops also have wider and legally protected rights to use lethal force, even to shoot down passenger aircraft.

It is now possible for the Prime Minister acting alone, to order troops onto the streets, if he thinks 'critical infrastructure' or a 'Commonwealth interest' is threatened by 'domestic violence'.

Alternatively, the government can give the Chief of the Armed Forces standing orders to active the military whenever he thinks it is necessary.
A callout order need not be in writing. Nor does notice have to be given to the public or parliament.

Thus, ordinary people may be confronted by troops on the streets, or on their doorstep, without knowing that a call-out has been ordered.

Moreover, few people know about these powers at all, because last year's amendments were passed with the Labor Party's support with virtually no public debate.

ADF members now have broad immunity from legal action even when their actions result in death, injury or loss. They are also protected by a defence of "superior orders", except if the orders were "manifestly unlawful".

These provisions raise the possibility of soldiers, who are specifically trained to shoot to kill, being responsible for incidents such as the 2005 killing of an innocent civilian in the London underground - Jean Charles de Menezes.

These laws erode the basic political and legal principle-dating back to the overthrow of the absolute monarchy in Britain in the seventeenth century-against using the armed forces to deal with civilian disturbances.

There is no reason to trust present or future federal governments will not use the powers to target social unrest, industrial action or political dissent.

Australia's history has many examples where the armed forces were called out for industrial and political purposes. They include the Chifley Government's dispatch of soldiers to break the coal miners' strike of 1949, the Fraser Government's use of the RAAF to ferry passengers during the 1981 Qantas strike and the Hawke Government's deployment of the air force against striking pilots in 1989.

Today it seems that the public is being conditioned to accept an ever wider use of the military against civilians.

Frequent "anti-terrorism" exercises are being used to accustom ordinary people to the sight of military helicopters over cities, SAS commandos scaling buildings and troops on the streets.

The navy has been used also to turn back refugee boats or forcibly transport asylum seekers to remote Pacific islands. The APEC summit may become another milestone in this creeping militarisation of Australian society.
Interesting stuff...
 
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Anarchists and protesters in Melbourne at the g20 summit destroyed public property and police property. This is a crime. World leaders did not.
Any damage was negligable, i've not noticed people missing welfare payments, or hospitals funding being cut, nor education suffering as a result of a few smashed windscreens on a police truck.
Not to mention that the fuckers they were protesting against included Wolfowitz, one of the gangsters who designed the destruction of Iraq. Weigh it up, Iraq / A police truck?

Stupid protesters deserve any pain they get, end.
Cops and the scum they protect deserve any pain they get, end.


The summit will put Sydney and Australia into tv and newspaper headlines for two or three days world wide. The publicity it generates will be worth trillions of dollars in future earnings from tourism etc . I would like to take a glipmse of George Bush as well. It is once in a life time chance to see the great leader of our time.
Haha it will put us in the headlines world wide as a city locked down under martial law, with troops patroling the streets and rioters burning down banks and street battles between police and civilians. Got your bags packed New York?
As someone else said "Trillions lol" hahaha.
You won't get to see George bush at all, perhaps on your TV screen. But you can do that pretty much everyday anyhow. You're probably just as close to him now in practical terms as you will be when he's in Sydney.


I'm sure there is a lot of that, but I can remember seeing protests where they've erected huge fences to keep the protestors away from those they're protesting... and the protestors basically just try to break them down etc.
Well I, and alot of other protestors, but unfortunatly not enough, feel that sitting in the streets and pleading with our masters for change is not enough and is frankly quite patronising.
Secondly this is my City, this is where ive lived and always have. I dont care if some corporate fat cat or murderous world leader is over here; I want to live in my city. Will i breach security lines? Unlikely due to the repercussions, but i support anyone who does.
 

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Yay, we're closing down half the city so a bunch of idiots can chat and stuff. Oh and while we're at it, let's close down half the city's transport also and introduce random search and detain laws and the lovely shoot to kill policy. Let's make the Chinese leader feel right at home. :)

I'm not going to step one foot into the CBD in September. I can imagine myself getting shot because I forgot the "no-mobile-phones-on" rule, or being interrogated and searched because I happen to be carrying a backpack which I always carry for Uni. I'll be pissed off if an innocent bystander is subjected to harsh treatment of some kind for minding their own business.

I'm actually looking forward to people protesting like mad in the CBD. Go for it and make your presence known on TV! Do it for Ostraaaya! Though I have no idea how they'll manage to protest in such a hostile environment when "shootz 2 killz dem allz!!11" is encouraged.
 
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Optophobia said:
If you weren't a troll with 7 posts I would analyse ths using my 1337 policing ethics powers. But alas you are.
Not a troll, just a new user. Well i'm new in that i've only recently begun actually having some sort of interest in this board.
Also, i think it was quite obvious i was just stating the polar-opposite of whatever trash the previous poster had, something along the lines of "Protestors deserve any pain they get, end.".
But please, do go ahead and analyse it with your 1337 policing ethics powers. I'm genuinly interested. (no sarcasm)

I hope the cops beat the shit out of you, hippy scum.
I hope i beat the shit out of a scummy cop. Btw, Greystanes huh? If that's where you live, we live so close :D :D :D
 

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its about time that police have the backing of the government for once!! Its easy dont be a moron and you wont get arrested, i personally cant wait for APEC, least get to see a different side of people! and hopefully with these powers make some arrests
 

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Optophobia said:
I fucking HATE libraries

*posts about it on a computer which was designed by a computer engineer who went to university and studied in a library*


ERROR IN LOGIC, dickhead.

I also find it interesting that people like you defend globalisation. your justification for defending it? That "socialists" protest against it. "They protest against it, therefore, I do not."

Yet, what is the definition of Globalization?

"a process whereby hitherto bounded societies are experiencing increasing cross-border flows of people, goods, services, ideas, information, money, images, knowledge and culture".



wooopsy :eek: but i thought globalization was a 'conservative' ideal :eek:

pfft. Which is why John Howard is such a fan of globalisation, and indeed why the Federal Liberal government has, for the past 7 consecutive years, admitted more immigrants into the country than any other government in the history of the nation (source, source, source) - the proportions not differing from many years ago (that is to say, it's not like even though they are accepting more, they are now some how accepting a "better class of people" in some way. The same criteria for letting them in is still applying. Indeed the family reunion scheme and others have remained untouched by the Howard government.) :)

yay, i love globalisation because socialists hate it :D

Fuck hole.
lol i cant believe you wrote that many words on a sarcastic statement

lol

am i annoying you
 
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/crackdown-on-nasty-summit-protesters/2007/05/19/1179497333146.html

Absolutley fucking disgusting is all i can say, and an absolute disgrace in my mind. This whole fucking country has gone to shit on fear or terrorism, yeah sure "they" havent won. *shakes head*
im inclined to agree with you on the terrorism part mate, but id still rather this than thousands of dead innocents

as for the protesters thing couldnt give a fuck, hope those leftist hippie scum get stomped.
 

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bshoc said:
The only people that are going to suffer from this are the stupid hippies who hold their gay demostrations at these events in the first place, I don't want to see these people destroy private property and hold up more traffic than APEC itself, heck I don't even want to hear them talking on the news or see their retarded little signs, I do however want to see a few getting beaten up with nightsticks and all the stupid hippies getting cained by water cannon :) yay
the only people who are going to suffer are those who lose there freedoms by not prostesting
 

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Lachlan18 said:
Yay, we're closing down half the city so a bunch of idiots can chat and stuff. Oh and while we're at it, let's close down half the city's transport also and introduce random search and detain laws and the lovely shoot to kill policy. Let's make the Chinese leader feel right at home. :)

I'm not going to step one foot into the CBD in September. I can imagine myself getting shot because I forgot the "no-mobile-phones-on" rule, or being interrogated and searched because I happen to be carrying a backpack which I always carry for Uni. I'll be pissed off if an innocent bystander is subjected to harsh treatment of some kind for minding their own business.

I'm actually looking forward to people protesting like mad in the CBD. Go for it and make your presence known on TV! Do it for Ostraaaya! Though I have no idea how they'll manage to protest in such a hostile environment when "shootz 2 killz dem allz!!11" is encouraged.
if u get shot u become a myrter and then the revolution come if you don't speak out u don't deserve freedom
 

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ubernuton said:
the only people who are going to suffer are those who lose there freedoms by not prostesting
But, being a revolutionary communist, you're staunchly opposed to freedom, right?
 

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