What do employers think of UWS? (3 Viewers)

[LaraB]

What is your problem? I am not allowed to voice my opinion?

obviously you didn't understand what i meant

i simply said it would hold more weight if it was a 3rd party

supporting an argument with your own research or whatever it was from is no where near as valid as using another academic source.... its as invalid as using a word in its own definition

 

[MoonlightSonata]

then you think wrong.

i said 'to do the job' i didn't say "to be a member of a law firm"

if i am talking about the bar, obviously i am talking about becoming a barrister so in that case you do need to pass the bar to have the qualifications to do the job...

Well the message is one of total incoherence I am afraid I have to tell you. You don't need to have the qualifications for a barrister to work in a law firm, which is precisely what you suggest:

"obviously its useless aiming for a top tier firm if you haven't passed the bar yet"

obviously you didn't understand what i meant

i simply said it would hold more weight if it was a 3rd party

supporting an argument with your own research or whatever it was from is no where near as valid as using another academic source.... its as invalid as using a word in its own definition

It's just my opinion. Why don't you discuss my comments rather than worry about where they came from?

 

[LaraB]

Well the message is one of total incoherence I am afraid I have to tell you. You don't need to have the qualifications for a barrister to work in a law firm, which is precisely what you suggest:

"obviously its useless aiming for a top tier firm if you haven't passed the bar yet"
It's just my opinion. Why don't you discuss my comments rather than worry about where they came from?

think of it this way - are you more likely to employ a barrister in your defence/as your 'counsel' if they have passed the bar or not? i didn't say it's impossible to, i said 'useless' meaning that the likelihood of success is less.

you keep saying i said you need to be a barrister to work in a law firm ok if you're so sure i said that - quote where i said those exact words

its similar to hiring someone who's completed a Masters degree compared to someon with a 3 year Bachelors degree - the extra 'degree' infers greater qualification inferring more ability to excel in the job

as i said - i don't agree with your opinion, so responding to the post would simply be repetition as you haven't provided new evidence rather another example of your opinion

 

[AsyLum]

Haha and this is why i didn't do Law *chuckles* wayyyyy too much politics

Back on topic: I believe it depends on which area you really want to get into, as for some, say Law or other specialist degrees, there will be an obvious stigma for a few more decades, but i believe they will slowly dissolve and a new scapegoat found once the 'old-firm' (pardon the pun) die off.

I know for a fact, that the B Vis Comm @ UWS would rate much more highly than a design course from Usyd and perhaps UNSW (although im unsure as to its status against COFA). So *shrugs*

 

[hYperTrOphY]

as i said - i don't agree with your opinion, so responding to the post would simply be repetition as you haven't provided new evidence rather another example of your opinion

You don't agree with it at all? I thought it was quite a fair and reaosnable comment. I think it is ignorant to believe doing law at UWS has ABSOLUTELY no impact on your employment chances at a top tier law form. If all other factors (which Moonlight acknowledges) are equal, I believe a USyd graduate will have an edge over a UWS graduate. But, as he said, it is only one factor, and an insignificant one in comparison to work experience, involvement in extra activities etc.

 

[011]

think of it this way - are you more likely to employ a barrister in your defence/as your 'counsel' if they have passed the bar or not? i didn't say it's impossible to, i said 'useless' meaning that the likelihood of success is less.

you keep saying i said you need to be a barrister to work in a law firm ok if you're so sure i said that - quote where i said those exact words

its similar to hiring someone who's completed a Masters degree compared to someon with a 3 year Bachelors degree - the extra 'degree' infers greater qualification inferring more ability to excel in the job

as i said - i don't agree with your opinion, so responding to the post would simply be repetition as you haven't provided new evidence rather another example of your opinion

For some reason you're getting hyper-defensive. I have no idea why.

 

[MoonlightSonata]

you keep saying i said you need to be a barrister to work in a law firm ok if you're so sure i said that - quote where i said those exact words

Certainly, taken from this post of yours --

obviously its useless aiming for a top tier firm if you haven't passed the bar yet...

Perhaps now you understand?

as i said - i don't agree with your opinion, so responding to the post would simply be repetition as you haven't provided new evidence rather another example of your opinion

That's strange, because my opinion was in favour of your position. So let me get this straight, you don't believe that where you get your university degree has any influence at all on career prospects?

As others have said, I think that is quite an absurd proposition.

 

[hiphophorray123]

Dont let these UWSers fool you. UWS is looked down upon by employers because the graduates generally are not equipped with the same skills as those graduates from more established unis that may have received similar marks. This is not because people that go to UWS are stupid. Its just because it generally attracts less-able students when compared to unis like USYD for example. I would avoid UWS if it were at all possible. Sure its not as bad as tafe, but still pretty bad.

Good luck!

i agree and disagree with abs

i agree that it does attract alot of less-able students and i mean ALOT, nearly everyone ive met is like 'as long as i pass' im like 'why the fuck would u be happy with a pass' lol i guess its better than failing though.

maybe to some degree employers 'look down' on UWSers because alot of dumbasses seem to come out of UWS....so its just a stigma but if you have a good grade and show you have skills, you'll have no problem


my tutor taught at USYD...she said she prefers UWS over USYD anyday...and she is a good tutor.

social science is highly dependent on critical thinking so its highly dependent on YOU, not how good or bad UWS is, so the whole 'skills...' section of abs post is bullshit.

 

[robbie1]

fuck me dead what a crazy thread....i come back a day later and its full of pages and pages of garbage

melsc you have been helpful, thankyou

my careers advisor told me not to listen to this sort of talk - the best uni for me is the one i get accepted into

so thats my philosophy

just calm down people, its amazing how much time you all spend on here talking shit

how about going out a little more.....you might learn something new

 

[MoonlightSonata]

fuck me dead what a crazy thread....i come back a day later and its full of pages and pages of garbage

ahahahhaha

"pages and pages of garbage"

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Yea, Usyd is so exclusive and awesome that it's rare to find someone that actually goes to usyd.

 

[sikeveo]

Well, I am sure that UWS graduates will find rewarding and challenging jobs at McDonalds.

In fact, it is a known fact that MacDonalds prefer UWS graduates for jobs
like shift "manager". They fry the chips much better than Group of Eight
graduates.

your lame, grammar boy.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Yea... what we need is richer uni's! With more pompus pagentry!!! I don't want to go to a uni unless the floors are ivory, or at least marble from milan!

FFS stupid aus uniz.

 

[hiphophorray123]

my whole argument is that better universities are better in teaching subjects.

so are you saying that the quality in teachers at UWS is low?

quite a few tutors at UWS have come from other unis, i know that my global tutor came from either MACQ and USYD and said she prefers UWS

 

[hiphophorray123]

choice, or maybe she works for both coz she still her e-mail says @usyd

 

[Not-That-Bright]

So..they left sydney uni by choice...or were they pushed out?

Well I dunno how you compare lecturers, like i've heard practicing judges lecture at usyd, and as awesome as that is I doubt they have time to talk to you...

 

[absolution*]

OMG, I leave this site for a day and come back and find that a bunch of idiots (yes idiots) have hijacked these forums yet again.
I find it highly ammusing that all these other students for other universities can't comment on anything other than to put it down, that just goes to show how stupid, dumb and pathetic you really are. You dont know ANYTHING about UWS, so get the fuck out of this forum. Unless YOU ARE an employer, your comments have no relevence.

If you think you go to such a highly prestigious and oh so classy university where you kiss your lectures arses in return for good marks and they kiss yours in return, then you can at least show SOME class, and intelligence due to your oh so awesome marks that got you into your oh so prestigious and cool universities that are like totally the best, and shut the fuck up and say something that actually is logical, mature and actually makes sense and shows that you actually passed English.

If I thought my chances of getting a job, and a good job for that matter, were in any doubt, why the fuck would I bother paying to go to a uni that wouldent get me a good job? I wouldent have move 350km's from home for 3 years and payed 16k up front to do something that would waste my time. I could have stayed at home and gone to TAFE.
I have every faith in myself that I can get a job, I have the marks, and I have the ability in myself.

So in the light of this thread, don't let any other universities students opinions foo you. They wouldent know a thing about UWS if it came a bit them on the arse. At least we as UWS students have some experience and are actually students at the uni.

wow, pipe-down chizzy mama.

 

[erawamai]

OMG, I leave this site for a day and come back and find that a bunch of idiots (yes idiots) have hijacked these forums yet again.
I find it highly ammusing that all these other students for other universities can't comment on anything other than to put it down, that just goes to show how stupid, dumb and pathetic you really are. You dont know ANYTHING about UWS, so get the fuck out of this forum. Unless YOU ARE an employer, your comments have no relevence.

If you think you go to such a highly prestigious and oh so classy university where you kiss your lectures arses in return for good marks and they kiss yours in return, then you can at least show SOME class, and intelligence due to your oh so awesome marks that got you into your oh so prestigious and cool universities that are like totally the best, and shut the fuck up and say something that actually is logical, mature and actually makes sense and shows that you actually passed English.

If I thought my chances of getting a job, and a good job for that matter, were in any doubt, why the fuck would I bother paying to go to a uni that wouldent get me a good job? I wouldent have move 350km's from home for 3 years and payed 16k up front to do something that would waste my time. I could have stayed at home and gone to TAFE.
I have every faith in myself that I can get a job, I have the marks, and I have the ability in myself.

So in the light of this thread, don't let any other universities students opinions foo you. They wouldent know a thing about UWS if it came a bit them on the arse. At least we as UWS students have some experience and are actually students at the uni.

EDIT- I almost pissed my panties laughing at the stupid post about the teaching standard at UWS being low. UWS is a 15 year old uni. Most of the teaching staff are between the ages of 30-60. Its very hypocritical of you saying that the teaching quality is low where in the end the majority teaching staff have graduated or have obtained qualifications from your oh so prestigious universities.

What a logical well thought out post.

 

[erawamai]

OMG, I leave this site for a day and come back and find that a bunch of idiots (yes idiots) have hijacked these forums yet again.
I find it highly ammusing that all these other students for other universities can't comment on anything other than to put it down, that just goes to show how stupid, dumb and pathetic you really are. You dont know ANYTHING about UWS, so get the fuck out of this forum. Unless YOU ARE an employer, your comments have no relevence.

People have the right to comment. To give advice and such. As do you. Swearing and what not in order to carry a point does not do you nor your university any favours.

I think if you had read the comments you would have seen a fair bit of fair comment.

If you think you go to such a highly prestigious and oh so classy university where you kiss your lectures arses in return for good marks and they kiss yours in return, then you can at least show SOME class, and intelligence due to your oh so awesome marks that got you into your oh so prestigious and cool universities that are like totally the best, and shut the fuck up and say something that actually is logical, mature and actually makes sense and shows that you actually passed English.

People have the right to comment. To give advice and such. As do you. Swearing and what not in order to carry a point does not do you nor your university any favours.

They wouldent know a thing about UWS if it came a bit them on the arse. At least we as UWS students have some experience and are actually students at the uni.

I think it a bit silly in the same breath to accuse NON UWS students as having no right to comment about uws because we have not been to uws and then ASSUME the state of affairs at other non uws universities. (Arse kissing the lecturers). As seen above.

If I thought my chances of getting a job, and a good job for that matter, were in any doubt, why the fuck would I bother paying to go to a uni that wouldent get me a good job? I wouldent have move 350km's from home for 3 years and payed 16k up front to do something that would waste my time. I could have stayed at home and gone to TAFE.
I have every faith in myself that I can get a job, I have the marks, and I have the ability in myself.

If you had read the thread the people making jokes about UWS = maccas were not doing so seriously. I don't think you need to justify to everyone that people at uws can obtain jobs.

 

[erawamai]

Well if I have no right, then no one else has the right.

Everyone has a right. It's just that at one point you say that it is wrong for non uws people to talk about uws because they havn't been to uws. In the same breath you state that non uws people suck up to their lecturers by kissing their arses or something like that (hint: you havnt been to usyd or unsw) The position is inconsistent. It happens to prove very little. It also happens to be hypocritical.

If your not going to be serious with comments, then dont make them. I wouldent call any such posts here as 'advice'. People have no right to discourage people from going to a uni, as they dont know th eindividual needs and wants of that person.

Me serious? I've been serious with comments in this thread. I've been critical of people from uws who have said patently misleading things about their university. I think there has been a fair bit of fair comment in this thread. I think it is correct for non uws people to suggest that uws is not the best university on the planet. That perhaps balanced advice is better than 20 UWS people telling them UWS is the best.

One person (absolution) came in here and gave a pretty honest answer to the thread starters question. All hell broke loose because he didnt make uws out to be the best university on the planet.