Adam and Eve or Evolution? (2 Viewers)

Adam and Eve or Evolution?

  • Creationism

    Votes: 64 15.5%
  • Evolution

    Votes: 255 61.6%
  • Both

    Votes: 68 16.4%
  • don't know

    Votes: 27 6.5%

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chaldoking

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With the amount of Atheists its no suprise - lets go to a Christian website and see the difference :)

Creationism all the way!
 

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chaldoking said:
With the amount of Atheists its no suprise - lets go to a Christian website and see the difference :)

Creationism all the way!
Except 30% of Australia is non-religious, and another 40% to 50% is lax Christians who believe in evolution and an abstract interpretation of the Bible (this isn't hard for the 25% of Australians who are Catholics, since the Catholic Church's official stance is that evolution is scientifically accurate and not at odds with religion).

It's not like it's a difficult concept to grasp - this isn't America where such a downright stupid concept as Creationism is given credibility.

Anyway, BOS is a representative sample of the student population. The only slight bias is this is a smarter group of students than the average. So to claim "BOS is biased because it's full of atheists" is kind of proving the point - most Australians (certainly young ones) don't buy into your garbage.
 
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Trefoil said:
Except 30% of Australia is non-religious, and another 40% to 50% is lax Christians who believe in evolution and an abstract interpretation of the Bible (this isn't hard for the 25% of Australians who are Catholics, since the Catholic Church's official stance is that evolution is scientifically accurate and not at odds with religion).

It's not like it's a difficult concept to grasp - this isn't America where such a downright stupid concept as Creationism is given credibility.

Anyway, BOS is a representative sample of the student population. The only slight bias is this is a smarter group of students than the average. So to claim "BOS is biased because it's full of atheists" is kind of proving the point - most Australians (certainly young ones) don't buy into your garbage.
QFT.

What I don't understand is how some can hold on to their beliefs in creationism like the world's about to end, even when there is overwhelming evidence for the evolution theory...

Edit: Oh, wait... I found this: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...gy-trump-facts-studies-say-it-often-does.html

Never mind then.
 
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chaldoking said:
With the amount of Atheists its no suprise - lets go to a Christian website and see the difference :)

Creationism all the way!
here's a shock

You don't have to be an atheist to accept that evolution is a fact
 

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Will Shakespear said:
here's a shock

You don't have to be an atheist to accept that evolution is a fact
It's double lols because he's ostensibly a Catholic. Hahahahahaha
 

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lulz

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0804713.htm

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]EVOLUTION-CONGRESS Sep-16-2008 (430 words) xxxi[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Vatican evolution congress to exclude creationism, intelligent design

By Carol Glatz
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Speakers invited to attend a Vatican-sponsored congress on the evolution debate will not include proponents of creationism and intelligent design, organizers said.

The Pontifical Council for Culture, Rome's Pontifical Gregorian University and the University of Notre Dame in Indiana are organizing an international conference in Rome March 3-7 as one of a series of events marking the 150th anniversary of the publication of Charles Darwin's "The Origin of Species."

Jesuit Father Marc Leclerc, a philosophy professor at the Gregorian, told Catholic News Service Sept. 16 that organizers "wanted to create a conference that was strictly scientific" and that discussed rational philosophy and theology along with the latest scientific discoveries.

He said arguments "that cannot be critically defined as being science, or philosophy or theology did not seem feasible to include in a dialogue at this level and, therefore, for this reason we did not think to invite" supporters of creationism and intelligent design.

Father Leclerc was one of several organizers speaking at a Sept. 16 Vatican press conference about the congress, part of the culture council's "Science, Technology and the Ontological Quest," or STOQ project.

Archbishop Gianfranco Ravasi, president of the Pontifical Council for Culture, said the other extreme of the evolution debate -- proponents of an overly scientific conception of evolution and natural selection -- also were not invited.

He reiterated that evolutionary theory "is not incompatible with the teachings of the Catholic Church or the Bible's message."

Gennaro Auletta, professor of philosophy at the Gregorian and head of the STOQ project, said organizers hope the encounter will help theologians and philosophers be "a bit more humble and learn to listen a bit more" to what science is unveiling about humanity and the world.

Auletta said Popes Pius XII, John Paul II and Benedict XVI have expressed "a fundamental interest" in the theory of biological evolution. However, the pontiffs' hopes that Catholics would gain greater understanding of the issues has not yet materialized, he said.

Phillip Sloan, a professor at Notre Dame, told the press conference the evolution debate, "especially in the United States, has been taking place without a strong Catholic presence ... and the discourse has suffered accordingly."

While there has been Catholic commentary on the compatibility of faith and evolutionary theories, there is no definitive written source to which people can refer to learn the church's position, he said.

Sloan said he hoped the March conference and other initiatives planned by Notre Dame and the Vatican would foster the development of "informed Catholic thought" on the subject.
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chaldoking said:
With the amount of Atheists its no suprise - lets go to a Christian website and see the difference :)

Creationism all the way!
Wait, if we asked this question in a Christian website, it would be even more biased, which would defeat the purpose of asking in the first place...

To get a more accurate sample, we'd have to take into account factors such as age groups, socioeconomic status, gender, education, cultural background, religion, etc. Its not as simple as asking a randomly asking people what they think of evolution.
 

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"Archbishop Gianfranco Ravasi, president of the Pontifical Council for Culture, said the other extreme of the evolution debate -- proponents of an overly scientific conception of evolution and natural selection -- also were not invited."

Huh?
 

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Creationism is far from fact - it is based apon a book - this book has no factual evidence proving it is speaking the truth.

Evolution has holes in it. But it is commonly taken as fact, although its still a theory due to these holes.
I think evolution should be a fact.

The stories of adam and eve require faith, not fact.
 

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cool extract

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Evolution as an explanation of the origin of life is not a proven fact; it is a philosophy, a theory. But evolution as a description of a certain natural process in nature has much evidence supporting it. There are many Christian scientists and professors who believe in evolution as an accurate account of how some animals adapt to radiation, climate and topography. But they do not accept it as an explanation of how life began.

The book of Genesis seeks to answer two questions concerning the origin of the world. The first is, Who created? The answer is clear in the opening verse of the book "In the beginning God" (Gen 1:1)-not "In the beginning hydrogen," not "In the beginning randomness."Rather, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

The second question is, Why did God create? The Scriptures clearly reveal that God created human beings in his own image for the purpose of living in a deep love relationship with God and in deep love relationships with each other.

The book of Genesis does not seek to answer the question of how God created. I do not know how God created. No one does. It is entirely possible that God used the process of evolution to some extent to create life. Science is concerned about the observation and classification of facts. Science deals with natural processes. Genesis says nothing about these. I am grateful that the authors of the books in the Bible refrain from forcing into the text their scientific prejudice.

There is a story from The London Observer illustrates the frailty of our understanding. A family of mice lived in a grand piano. They enjoyed listening to the music that came from the great player who they never saw, but who they believed in, because they enjoyed the music that came from the piano. One day one of the little mice got especially brave. He climbed deep into the bowels of the piano. He made an astonishing discovery. The music did not come from a great player; rather, the music came from wires that reverberated back and forth. The little mouse returned to his family tremendously excited.He informed his family that there was no great player who made the piano music; rather, there were these little wires that reverberated back and forth. The family of mice abandoned their belief in a great piano player.Instead they had a totally mechanistic view.

One day another one of the little mice got especially brave. He climbed even further up into the bowels of the piano. To his amazement he found that indeed the music did not come from the reverberating wires, but rather from little hammers that struck the wires. It was those hammers that really made the music. He returned to his family with a new description of the source of the music. The family of mice rejoiced that they were so educated that they understood that there was no great piano player but that the music came from little hammers that struck the wires. The family of mice did not believe that there was a player playing the piano. Instead they believed that their mechanistic understanding of the universe explained all of reality. But the fact is that the player continued to play his music.

Modern science has done much to uncover the natural processes in the world. Daily we are learning more and more about how this world operates. But just because we understand how things work does not mean that there is not an intelligent mind behind the process. Albert Einstein expressed an awe and respect for the superior spirit or mind behind the universe. We should not make the mistake of getting so caught up with how things work that we ignore the Creator, the highly intelligent mind that is behind the intricate process.
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Religion is for the people that are so insecure with there life and NEED a reason to be alive.
Basically people that cant cope with realising that there is nothing after you die.
 

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atheism is for people who arnt greatful for what god has given them. they have lack of morals. basically people who think that they are super smart for not believing it god when really no one thinks so (exept for other atheists of course).
 

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I'm so ungrateful for what 'god' has given me that I'm using it to the fullest of my capabilities.
 

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3unitz said:
its a theory just like any other scientific theory (eg. gravitation)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

its not called a 'theory' because it has 'holes' (what holes?), its a theory because it is verified by experimental evidence and allows for testable predictions. this is what it means when scientists call something a theory; it has nothing to do with the common usage of the word (which i think you are confusing it with):



evolutionary theory is indisputable by the scientific community.
No, but you see therefore because and thus such as.

Q.E.D.
 

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melanieeeee. said:
atheism is for people who arnt greatful for what god has given them. they have lack of morals. basically people who think that they are super smart for not believing it god when really no one thinks so (exept for other atheists of course).
Who's down with kickstarting the cult of Dionysus?
 

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