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Does God exist? (7 Viewers)

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Enteebee

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webby234 said:
Matter didn't exist, it was formed from energy. You could argue that energy did exist, but that depends on which theory you subscribe to. Some have a balance of positive and negative energy, meaning that no energy actually existed at t = 0.
True enough, but my point is that basically the building blocks of the universe existed, everything that is in the universe now existed at t=0, it was just in a different form (matter & energy are interchangeable).

BradCube said:
1. What ever begins to exist must have a cause (metaphysical law)
Something can not have a cause without time, what exists now in the universe existed at time=0, perhaps in a different form but it existed. It's not tricky language and I don't think you've dealt with the problem at all.

3. Therefore, the universe must have a cause.
The entire concept of a 'cause' requires a before, "before" time is nonsense.
 
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Enteebee said:
True enough, but my point is that basically the building blocks of the universe existed, everything that is in the universe now existed at t=0, it was just in a different form (matter & energy are interchangeable).
Ok, i agree.
 

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Schroedinger said:
thread needs to pl0x read short history of time k
a brief history of time by hawking or a short history of everything by bryson? latter is more interesting.
edit: yeah i'll guess the first one given the topic atm :/
 
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BradCube said:
1. So, if you heard a loud "bang" and asked "what was that?" and I replied "nothing", you would have no troubles accepting that? Why should it be any different for the "big bang"?
Scientific objections to (1) are often fielded from a perspective which endorses non-deterministic, or properly random, interpretations of quantum mechanics. If particles can spontaneously emerge in a non-deterministic way then causes may not be necessary in order for things to exist (though, I think one would be right to ask 'what kind of underlying fabric allows for such spontaneous existence in the first place?').
 

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KFunk said:
Scientific objections to (1) are often fielded from a perspective which endorses non-deterministic, or properly random, interpretations of quantum mechanics. If particles can spontaneously emerge in a non-deterministic way then causes may not be necessary in order for things to exist (though, I think one would be right to ask 'what kind of underlying fabric allows for such spontaneous existence in the first place?').
Yes.....
Oh , I wish i could express my thoughts as you do.
My thoughts are so clear and graceful in my mind but they come tumbling out of my mouth (fingertips)...so inapt and inarticulate that I am certain I appear benighted and bizzare.
 

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I S L A M

its only 5 letters, but man, it makes a hell alot of sense

p.s. please dont go by the media, its bias..unbeliveably BIAS..absolutely BIAS! :mad1:
 

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katie tully said:
*facepalms*

this thread isnt a freaking advertisement for religion
I have to say I agree here.
We are dicussing whether a 'God' exists , not whether any specific religion is more valid than another... then again I get off topic pretty quick, so who am i to talk.
 
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3unitz said:
no just read through kfunks posts
and who is a good read for the opposing view?

(ima sorry i have a life teehee. =] )
 

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3unitz said:
emytaylor makes some fantastic points from the christian perspective

kfunk if you want to read something a little more rational
Thats so not true! :) Not fair.
Emys perspective is NOT comprehensively representative of a Christian view - Bradcube yeah?..... and Kfunk is brilliant but so it Kwayera , 3unitz , Dorisygirl, Schroe...etc etc etc
 

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Wait..Kfunk cannot be an atheist...Im sure he must be an agnostic (who leans toward atheism)
 

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^CoSMic DoRiS^^ said:
I don't know but the quality of the thread has gone up exponentially since she dropped out of it. She'll be back.
I hope she wasnt hurt by that nasty thread :(
 

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"Dorisygirl" 0.o' isn't that the name of a razor blade?

I am also an agnostic (who leans toward atheism).
 

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puglover said:
"Dorisygirl" 0.o' isn't that the name of a razor blade?

I am also an agnostic (who leans toward atheism).
Dorisy girl is Cosmic Doris :)
I dont know her name and get tired of typing Cosmic Doris :)
 

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