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The greatest mistakes in ~history~ (9 Viewers)
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Lolsmith
kill all boomers
Secularism accidentally Hitler and Stalin
http://www.smh.com.au/national/thank-god-were-not-all-atheists-bishop-says-20100401-ri4q.html
yep
cosmo kramer
Banned
hitler was a catholic
though who knows what he really believed about religion
i find it doubtful he actually followed what he would have known to be a judaic offshoot religion
though who knows what he really believed about religion
i find it doubtful he actually followed what he would have known to be a judaic offshoot religion
katie tully
ashleey luvs roosters
Most do? You've spoken to most atheists? Do we have some sort of manifesto whereby we detail our unrealistic hopes for world peace under a godless society? Neck up, dick. You don't know what most think and given *most* atheists are highly intelligent people, (unlike ~Christians/Mooslems~), nobody is so dumb to think that all the worlds problems would disappear with the abolition of organised religion. Just a lot of them. Bad people will still exist, bad things will still happen but you might be surprised to find that people are still willing to help and do selfless acts because it's an inherent human trait, not a religious one.
um excuse me, its very easy to isolate certain quotes to make the religion seem violent, but if you consider other aspects beside it, then you will see that it is balanced out. For example, although Muslims are encouraged to defend themselves and their religion (which at the time were often one and the same thing because religion was divisive at the time of Islam's establishment) using violence if necessary, there is also the belief that in the eyes of God, the unjustified murder of one human, is as punishable as the murder of all humanity- every life is precious to Muslims who FOLLOW THEIR RELIGION CORRECTLY! This isnt to say that every Muslim is peacable, but neither is every atheist, chistian, buddist, jew etc. WE ARE ALL HUMANS.
And also, those specific quotes were in direct relation to situations in which people were betrayed by opposing religions- its not just saying not to make friends with Christians and Jews for fun- its so that they dont get stabbed in the back because all the religions hated each other back then and were competing for dominance and power.
Im not making an attack on anyone, so please dont attack me- im just saying, be more open minded
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that is so discriminatory- basing one's intelligence on their religion. Many discoveries throughout history were made by religious people, as they were also made by atheists. Atheists get upset because they think that religion gets a special status, but what your doing is the other extreme- using religion to judge people negetively without a solid basis to do so.
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Yes but thats my whole point- Islam didnt treat its followers with any particular cruelty- it was just cultural and traditional practices of the time that were combined with religion that made it that way. And ill repeat a point i made to someone else- a marriage isnt considered Islamic if it is against the will of any of the parties. Yes, history has shown that it has not always panned out that way and women are married against their will even now, but the right intention was there and its up to us to make good out of it.
My point with all my posts, is to say that whats wrong with the world comes from mistakes that humans have made whatever religion they are, or even those who dont follow one. We're not perfect
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cosmo kramer
Banned
what about the treating women like cattle part
exactly
wow, isnt it funny? im a woman, im a muslim- and guess what?? i love my religion and would never change it. SHOCK HORROR. i must really love cattle then hey??
I love how all complaints against how islam treats women, is from people who ARENT muslim, or dont know how Islam really regards women.
Again- let me emphasise that i am in no way claiming that all muslim women are treating with the pinnacle of fairness, but this doesnt reflect on Islam because it doesnt preach this sort of behaviour, its just how people have misinterpreted it, and/or twisted it to fit their own motives.
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cosmo kramer
Banned
lolsmith doesnt have all da answers
Lolsmith
kill all boomers
No there are so many answers but it'd be like bashing my head against a brick wall not having a proper discussion with someone
funny how when im talking to you, i also feel as if i am a) bashing my head against a wall b) poking my eyes out repeatedly
cosmo kramer
Banned
ahh my eyes the goggles do nothing
the problem with you, is that you just can't accept that in this world, people wont all agree with you. Why can't you just accept that i like Islam and you don't. and accept the fact that it doesnt make me inferior to you or stupid- just different???
Final Fun Fact: the most converts to Islam around the world are women. Converts being the key word here, because it means that they werent forced into it by family, or their community/ cultural reasons. Statistics show that most of them are also from the West, which means non-muslim countries and no Islamic laws influencing them! Now why would so many women convert if they're just going to be 'treated like cattle' as one of my fellow forumers said??
it wouldnt make sense, unless they had researched islam, found that it DOES respect women even if it isnt practised this way by certain muslims around the world, and then decided to embrace its principles.
i'm not trying to change anyones mind here- i know u all have very strong opinions on the matter- this post is more for people who are neutral to religion and just want to hear different peoples perspectives.
OKay, I'm done now- no more posts don't worry!!
it wouldnt make sense, unless they had researched islam, found that it DOES respect women even if it isnt practised this way by certain muslims around the world, and then decided to embrace its principles.
i'm not trying to change anyones mind here- i know u all have very strong opinions on the matter- this post is more for people who are neutral to religion and just want to hear different peoples perspectives.
OKay, I'm done now- no more posts don't worry!!
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